01 March 2014

Beth Moore Prophesies a Coming 'Outpouring,' Warns of 'Scoffers'

In a January 2014 blog post entitled, "A New Year, A New Time," popular Southern Baptist Bible teacher Beth Moore shared the following alleged God-given revelation:
In mid-November of 2012, God dropped a word so convicting on my heart through another teacher’s lesson that my face instantly burned. . . . This was the word:
"Stop sowing over and over in the exact same field."
I wasn’t looking for it. I didn’t ask for it. I was happy where I was. Like many of you, I like things to stay the same. I loved my circle of relationships and the familiar places I got to serve. I’ve never lost a passion for those places and have often wept with thanksgiving to God for the privilege of walking through some of the same doors again and again. I have a history of long relationships and staying put and that’s how I like things. But I knew God was talking to me. It burned like a branding iron. 

Every single day for nearly 14 months, that same word has reverberated in my soul and troubled my feet. . . .

Fast forward 12 months exactly to the most recent November. A year after hearing from God so clearly about sowing further than the field that I’d loved and served in for so long, I had a very disturbing dream. I can count the significant dreams I’ve had through the decades on one hand so I’m not prone to look for messages in my sleep to keep from having to actually pray and read the Bible. That God can speak through dreams is clear in our own Bibles, of course, but for many of us it is unusual. I don’t feel the release right now to describe the dream though I may someday. What I do feel is a strong compelling to share with you what I knew beyond a doubt it meant. I believe that I can either be obedient to God in the faith walk He is setting before me or He will take my voice. I do not feel that it was a rebuke. I felt that it was a warning.
(Source, emphasis added)
At the time, Do Not Be Surprised emphasized the danger of Moore's claims to receiving direct, personal revelation from God. What was not emphasized at that time was the content of the revelation.

Moore's post goes on to say:
I was saved in childhood but I was 18 years old the first time I ever had a vivid encounter with God and it accompanied my calling. . . .
38 years have come and gone since that day I received my calling. 
And I have rarely – if ever – received clearer orders from God.  
I share this with you because I love and esteem you so much and want you to know that I haven’t lost my footing or had a dramatic change in my theology as I tread into a wider perimeter than I’ve served before. . . .

We must all be willing to exceed denominational boundaries. Revival is at stake. Nearsightedness will trip us and disunity will slay us in the perilous days to come. We can prioritize our denominations over the Scriptures if we want to but we will shrivel up and die on the vine if we do.

We who are called to teach must teach the Scriptures even if – and especially when – they differ from our long-held stance. That we will answer for.

These are days for bravery.

To avail ourselves to the Holy Spirit and a fresh work of Christ in our midst, our healthy fear of God must far exceed our fear of man. I say this with tremendous love. Those who refuse to rock the boat when Jesus is tossing the waves in their faces will never know the thrill of the water beneath their feet. . . .

Change is on the horizon and certainly not only where I live and serve. The winds of the Holy Spirit are picking up. We can dig our feet in the ground and demand to stay right where we are. We can toil to maintain things just as they have been for years. And we can be left out of a coming awakening that could one day be recorded in the annals of Christian history.
(Source, emphasis added)
What is this "awakening," this "fresh work of Christ," this "revival," this "wind"? Whatever it is, Moore spoke of it again recently at James Robison's Awaken conference. Below is a short clip from Moore's teaching at that event:


The full teaching can be viewed here, at the Life Today website. The astute viewer will notice that the message Moore is sharing allegedly was given to her directly by God, thus it cannot be questioned lest we question the Lord Himself.

Below is a partial transcript of some of the more troubling portions of Beth Moore's message. The transcript also is available here, at the Life Today website.
As we cry out for a downpour and I'm going to tell you something, I believe its coming. You know why? Because I believe the truth is we are thirsty. . . .

I believe that God placed it on my heart to tell you that as it comes, and it will if we'll own our thirst, it will, if we'll be willing to stop telling him what it has to look like, it's coming, it's coming. But we must be prepared in advance for scoffers. I will say that again. We must be prepared in advance for scoffers. I want you to look at one another and say, "Be prepared for scoffers."

And here's the thing. The unbelieving world scoffing is not going to bother us that much. We're used to them thinking that we are idiots. Can we just own that one? We're used to it. Of course, they think that. We've got that one down. That's not what's going to bother us so much. What's going to bother us, and I believe God is saying, "Get prepared for it so you know in advance it is coming" so when it does happen you're not all disturbed and all rocked by it because it is going to come from some in our own Christian realm -- our own brothers and sisters.

We're going to have people that are honestly going to want to debate and argue with us about awakening and downpours. What do you want here? They're going to say, that's not the way it should look. You know what, dude? I'm just asking you, are you thirsty? Are you hungry? I can't think of the way to the semantics to get it like you want it. But I will say to you, I'm just thirsty and I'm hungry. 
But there will be scoffers and they will be the far bigger threat, the one within our own brothers and sisters, our own family of God -- far, far more demoralizing. And yes, it will come from bullies, and yes, it will come from the mean-spirited.

What God began to show me is that it would not just come from the mean-spirited it will also come from people who are just genuinely concerned about us. . . .

The scoffers, I believe that God put on my heart, please test the spirit, pray and see if this is confirmed to you in prayer and in the study of the word. I believe that he placed it on my heart that the scoffers will have an alternative answer for everything; An alternative for every single thing we see, there will be an alternative. They will not see it as the hand of God, an alternate answer. Unity will be called defection. Brokenness will be called instability. Grace will be called compromise. And the genuinely prophetic will be called false teaching. You see if this does not happen. And because of those things, defection, instability, compromise, and false teaching, because those things will be simultaneously in effect, you and I, who are believing God for a vivid downpour of his spirit and recognize it as it comes, we will have to be taking the risk of being lumped in with the ones that really are defecting, unstable, compromising, and false. And it will be hard for us because we don't want to be mixed-up with them.

(Source)
The similarities between this teaching and Moore's January blog post are obvious: the calls for unity, revival and outpouring dominate. Note the gravity of what Beth Moore is saying here—and remember that she is claiming that these concepts were given to her by God.

"Be prepared for scoffers." And these scoffers, says Beth, are literally a threat. In other words, the scoffers will be enemies of these chosen ones who are open and available to receive whatever outpouring Beth is describing. These will be "bullies" and will be "mean-spirited."

But what if these "bullies" or even the poor, confused souls who are simply "concerned" about Moore and others like her, are trustworthy ministers of the gospel? What if the "scoffers" are men who have proven to be faithful teachers of God's Word? Are we to cast these men aside if they dare question such an "outpouring" of the Spirit? Or should we take their warnings into consideration?

"Unity," says Moore, "will be called defection." Reader, are you aware that these sentiments of "unity" are the same as those expressed by Pope Francis?

"Grace will be called compromise." If this "grace" is extended toward false teachers and false teaching then, yes, it is compromise. Unity at the expense of truth? Never!

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"And the genuinely prophetic will be called false teaching." How are we to distinguish the "genuinely prophetic"? By taking the self-proclaimed prophet at his or her own word? The true Church is not in need of a "prophetic word" because the Bible has already warned of what is to come. Jesus Himself warned of false Christs and false prophets in the last days (Matt 24:3, 4, 11), and He warned that they would rise to fame with displays of miraculous signs and wonders.
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. (Matt 24:24–25)
When we hear Beth Moore preparing people for an "outpouring" and a "downpour," the specifics of which still remain vague, and when we hear her warning her followers that they must be prepared for "scoffers" and "bullies" and enemies of this "revival" and this "unity" one cannot help but think of Paul's promise of a great coming delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2. Where is the evidence of such a "downpour" in Scripture? Where is the clarion call to forsake truth for unity? These things are not in Scripture, yet they are common elements found in the teachings of many dangerous leaders today. Such things are common themes among the Word-Faith, NAR, and even among the Roman Catholics. Beth Moore may have received this message from an outside source, but that source was not God. Oh, she is being used by God, yes, but not for the purposes which many would claim.

Beth Moore is an extremely influential woman. She has written numerous books and Bible studies. Her ministry, Living Proof, hosts the Living Proof Live conferences each year. Additionally, she participates in such gatherings as Louie Giglio's Passion conferences and Hillsong's Colour conference. She is the darling of LifeWay, the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention. Women's ministries at churches across the country, even churches considered to be biblically and doctrinally solid, rely on Moore's studies to train their women.

The claims, concepts and 'prophecy' Moore has taught at Robison's Awaken conference will not go unnoticed. Her words will not go unheeded by the many who blindly follow after her. The fact that Beth Moore has demonstrated time and again that she cannot even properly handle Scripture will continue to be ignored by those who perceive her words to be without error. And if she has received these words from God, then they must be without error, mustn't they? "Thus saith the Lord . . . by way of Beth Moore."

Friends, it is no new or surprising fact that we are witnessing a growing deception among those who claim to know Christ. As experiences trump the truth of Scripture, the deception darkens. Many men and women have been put in place to lead and pave this road of deception. We ought not be surprised that such leaders would claim a personal word from the Lord, but should these prophetic words be trusted?

Thus saith the Lord . . . in the Bible that we already hold in our hands. No more needs to be added to this Word. Friends, it is time to banish the book of Beth Moore, for it is this writer's opinion that this woman does not speak for our God.

*As a final note, the reader is strongly encouraged to listen to apologist Chris Rosebrough's review of Beth Moore's teaching. Rosebrough's commentary can be accessed here.

HT: Pirate Christian Radio

photo credit: ROSS HONG KONG via photopin cc, text added

Further Reading
Why Beth Moore and Not Me?
Beth Moore's 'Twelfth Month Redemption'
Beth Moore's 'Sabbath Moment' Playdate with God

68 comments:

  1. BM's tenacity would be admirable, if it were not so misguided.
    What's next, Beth, kiss the pope's ring? Is Rome your new stomping ground?
    Or maybe it's the charismatic circuit?
    Since your becoming soooo ecumenical, you could go to Salt Lake and bring the straying brethren home.
    Surely Mecca is going to be one of your new haunts, wonder how the burka will fit you?
    And when your finished we'll all be one big Happy Family, yes, that's a reference to the LGBTQ.
    You've got some big days up, don't you?
    So as not to be accused by you of being divisive, mean-spirited and unloving, let these Scriptures ring in your ears as a prayer from me to the God you claim to love and serve:
    "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision [that would be you, Beth Moore] whose mouths must be stopped [that would be you, Beth Moore] who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain." That would be you, Beth Moore. Tit. 1:10&11.

    She spoke of "owning" thirst and other things, but what she needs to own is her own sin, the defiance, the arrogance, the lies, the blood on her hands of all the people who have believed her, gave money to her and defend her even today. It will be horrid, and beyond our current ability to imagine the day of the judgment of all these false prophets who refused to humble themselves under the mighty Hand of God. They will stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgment when the final, binding, nonnegotiable sentence is given as they bend their knees before Him and their tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father, they will be cast into the Lake of Fire that burns forever.

    Time to own your own sins, Beth Moore. Repent and believe the Gospel.

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    1. I would like to respectfully comment on what you have written. In regards to BM I definitely have red flags and have had difficulty listening to her in the past. We however are instructed to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ and to be very careful the way we respond with correction since if Christ Jesus is gentle and humble in heart, aren't we also to speak the truth in love.

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    2. Just because BM claims to be a "Christian" does not mean that it is so. There are lots of folks who make that claim, but their words betray them. There is nothing in BM's "ministry" that would indicate that she is genuine because she makes up things to impress her (paying) audience that have zero basis in Scripture. Jesus was never meek , mild, or humble of heart to the religious charlatans of His day. Quite the opposite, He squarely faced them and pronounced their coming condemnation on all those who scoffed at HIM. Beth Moore mocks the Lord Jesus by claiming that He "speaks" to her on various subjects. It gives her disciples the impression that she has a "connection" to God that they do not have, thereby creating jealousy in the hearts because they are not spoken to in similar manner and a clamoring for more so that they, too, may "hear the voice of God."

      If she were so in tune with God as she claims then she would DECREASE and He would INCREASE, but that is not the case. Everything she says revolves around Beth Moore. God spoke to me, new ministry ahead, great plans for my ministry, going to new places and new people and on and on she rolls. If she were so interested in glorifying the Lord Jesus why is it impossible for her to do so? Because she is more interested in her following, her fame, and her bank account. She does not teach the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, but another gospel (which is no Gospel at all), with another jesus by another spirit.

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    3. Amen Darrel

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    4. I have taken Beth Moore's Bible studies and found her to be sort of crazy. She tries to be funny, but I don't find her to be all that funny. She comes off to me as being very arrogant and unwilling to listen to criticism of her teaching. She constantly talks about herself. When I took her Inheritance study, one lesson she was all excited, you could have bounced her off of the wall. Her daughter had had a baby the day before, but for about 20 minutes or so, we had to listen to her talk about her new grandbaby. I am happy about her new grandbaby, all she had to say was her daughter had a baby and how happy she was about it, and go on with the lesson. Good grief, she talks fast, she is never still and always moving around, she even comes out to the audience and will sit on someone's arm chair, it is so distracting. When I took her inheritance study, after one particular lesson, I became very upset. She was taling about reclaiming our territory that Satan had stolen from us and setting boundaries. One of the boundries was taking back our past from Satan and allowing God to use your past for His glory. I always believed that God forgives us for our sins and remembers them no more. I don't want to remember my past, what is the point in that. I don't even know how she came up with this. Now she is telling us, in one lecture, that the Bride of Christ is paralyzed by unbelief. Really, how insulting to all Chirstians for her to say that. And at the Awaken conference, we see her true colors. I suppose I am a scoffer and mean spirited if I don't go along with whatever is coming. She never does say what is coming, I guess it is a big secret or something. I don't believe God keeps secrets from his children, if she had a so called word from the Lord, then why is she so afraid to just say what it is that is coming. Could it be because of what else is going on in the Christian world, with Brain Houston of Hillsong aligning himself with the Muslims and Kenneth Copeland aligning himself with the Pope. Is that the unity she is talking about? Time will tell, but I want no part of any of this.

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    5. very good points!

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  2. Just when you think Beth Moore can't feet any more bizarre, she ups and dumps this on ya! And yet her minions will follow her and fight tooth and nail to defend her.

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  3. Excellent Excellent job on the coverage of this article Erin! Thank you for sharing the Truth on Beth Moore and all that is going wrong in her teachings. Very well done.

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  4. Thank you so much for sharing this. I shared this on facebook; it will either be ignored or just the opposite. I did have one friend of mine who has asked me about Beth Moore. I didn't really have much to tell her at the time. Now I do. Seems like the great deception is moving right along. Thrilling and heart wrenching at the same time. Come, Lord Jesus.

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  5. My church, which is doctrinally as sound as they come, allowed the ladies to do a Beth Moore series on James last year. I expressed concern then, but it was brushed aside. With this, I will strongly object if her name comes up again. This is simply unacceptable in a real church.

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    1. My pastor is a great bible teacher. However when my son approached him and our elders about Beth Moore they listened to what he had to say and told him they had listened to her and couldn't find anything wrong with her teachings. I just don't get it. All kinds of red flags fly up every time I hear her speak. He even emailed the Justin Peter's expose on Mrs. Moore but they said Justin took what she said out of context.

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  6. When you ignore the article itself, and read the portions emphasized/emboldened I don't get the point. What's wrong with those statements that you are emphasizing as if somehow each and every one are so significant or bad?

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    1. The article explains what's wrong with them, so maybe you shouldn't ignore it. :-)

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    2. Hermano, I so appreciate your sincere question. I had the same question, and not to start trouble, but to sincerely ask "please tell me what is wrong with her claims for God to bring revival, etc." I love the Lord, and I don't want to be mislead one way or the other- so someone please reply without slamming myself or Hermano for asking with a sincere heart. We are listening!

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    3. Hi Merry, the article isn't claiming that God isn't going to bring revival, and some things that she said does line up with scripture. They are trying to point out the false teachings. (For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. (Matt 24:24–25) It is placing emphasis on certain things she heard the Lord tell her, and those things don't line up with scriptures, therefore is not from God. It also focuses on how she misuses scripture, and she spoke about dreams in a negative manner as if one who has prophetic dreams don't have to read and pray, this is not the case, and there is nothing wrong with prophetic dreams, they are not unusual, it's biblical. I have had many and never has one been disturbing, if her dream was disturbing it wasn't from God, which is probably why she didn't share it. See, we can believe prophets and take them for what they say and trust it is the words from the Lord, but we must also use the gift of discernment when we take in these things, we must test the spirit, and the words spoken will always line up with the bible. If these things don't add up when someone is sharing a word from the Lord, we have to use our better judgement and simply let it go. We have been warned of false teachers, prophets ect, but God also has given us the tools we need to understand the sincerity of the things spoken. We are not left empty handed, and many people forget and it leaves them vulnerable to false teachings. In this day, we must pray about everything. Not the best to critique another, or post a clip of a person that is supposed to be false, but it is a good article as sometimes it needs to be pointed out for some who may be blinded to the truth. People will say anything to make a buck, we have to take heed and be cautious of whose teaching, and preaching we sit under. *Seems to me Beth is actually warning us of herself, and her own false teachings.* (What's going to bother us, and I believe God is saying, "Get prepared for it so you know in advance it is coming" so when it does happen you're not all disturbed and all rocked by it because it is going to come from some in our own Christian realm -- our own brothers and sisters.)

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    4. May I add, that she is slyly advocating ecumenicalism, which as someone pointed out earlier very often requires us to align ourselves with people of other faiths that are simply false teachings. The Bible clearly warns us against joining ourselves with people of darkness and the stay away from them. She is promoting much of the same rhetoric that the "stars" in Christendom are teaching and that is joining all faith together. Plus if you read some of her other writings, you will find that she uses quotes from old catholic mystics and others that we should have nothing to do with.

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  7. And they call this preaching God's word .......unbelievable

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  8. I was invited to a Women's Conference by a dear friend of mine, She didn't say it would be Beth Moore to watch it by Satellite, I was disappointed it was she giving the teaching. Now in reference to read this, I'm happy to know I am not the only one to think and pray for guidance, if this woman is truly speaking for the Lord. She is too loud and too into herself, look at her photo, My, My, My, What brother Perry Stone would say.

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    1. Brenda,

      I pray you know that Perry Stone is a false teacher......


      Teresa

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  9. Hi,
    It has been several years ago I stopped doing Beth Moore studies because of many of the issues you have made known. The ONLY studies offered at my church are BM studies. When I approached the Women!s ministry leaders with information of her false teachings it was not taken seriously. Since I was a newcomer at the church since I had recently moved to the area I didn't know the pastor so I didn't feel I could go to him.

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  10. She is right about unity but not biblical unity, she is part of the unifying One World religion prophesied in scripture. She blatantly refuses scripture when she preaches and teaches men. She misuses scripture and calls herself a prophet and is now part of the aligning of all faiths. We will see more and more of this folks. Stand firm and test all things.

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  11. Am I thirsty? No, I thirst no more:
    John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

    Now I simply long for that day, the day when those found in Christ Jesus of Nazareth will feast with Him at the marriage supper of the Lamb. Where we will forevermore behold His beauty and marvel at His majesty. This is all I want, and it's "NEW" yep: recorded right there in the New Testament. That's all the new I need - may I get an Amen?

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  12. I went to a link provided by standupforthetruth and it helped answer mine and Hermano's question! Thank you--http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2014/02/beth-moores-future-outpouring-prophecy.html

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  13. "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness; for they shall be filled."

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  14. I'm wondering if B.M. is referring to those scoffers that follow Paul's instructions in 2 Timothy 4. ... preach THE Word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure SOUND DOCTRINE; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears FROM the truth and will turn aside TO myths. But YOU, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. Or these as in Acts 17:11 ..they received the word with all eagerness, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY TO SEE OF THESE THINGS WERE TRUE.

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  15. Joe Ramsey M.BST.March 3, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    You people really blow my mind! You would rather find the faults of others and trash them for it than to live a life that radiates the love of Jesus so that others might experience it! YOU seem to be God's Police Officers!! He don't need, believe me he has it handled! And you wonder why the churches you attend continue to see reductions in membership! Your churches are steeped in tradition but tradition doesn't get you to heaven (Matt.7:22)! Yea I know you! I have attended your churches! With your mandates on Women wearing dresses, no wearing slacks because that's of the devil! I think that passage is in Jude Chapter 2! I hope you enjoyed your sunday service and you probably went out to dinner for lunch and left the waitress a tract instead of a tip! All of you I am ashamed for your vile attack on Beth Moore! Jesus faced those like you in his day. He called you vipers! If You Are A Christian I command You to stop this or I pray God's Judgement on you! If you are a true beliver- Pray for her that if she is doing anything that is not of God that HE reveals this to her and that she might make that change!
    Oh and by the way the Holy Spirit is at work 1Thess 1:5. Remember that is the convicting power that led each of you to Jesus! Not a fancy Hell, Fire, and Brimstone pastor. I pray that same convicting power of Jesus will continue to work in each of your heart's. This is the hope! We have got to LOVE this lost and dieing world! There is NO Love being displayed here! You people are more caught up on slamming a fellow Christian than spending that energy on showing compassion for a lost person! The harvest is great but the harvesters are few and from this post "the harvesters are standing in the barn arguing over which mower to use !"
    I sometimes wonder if the Rapture is Gods way of getting the church out of the way so that he can truly bring revival! I love you in the name of Jesus! If I didnt I would not have taken the time to say this!

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    1. THANK YOU Joe!

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    2. Very well said, Joe. I can not believe the way "Christians" circle some prey, waiting to pounce on any and everything that the person does that they don't agree with. Yes, we are to test what is being preached against Scripture for ourselves. How dare you people judge BM's heart saying she is not even a Christian. Shame on you! All I see here are a bunch of vague accusations of her not being true to God or Scripture. Show me one thing she said in any of her Bible studies that is not a valid interpretation of Scripture. I am not a "follower" of BM as I never really cared for her style, but I can't say she is a heretic in any way, even though I hold a vastly different view from her on end times. Her interpretation is different than mine and it is not an essential for faith. She loves God and serves Him in the way she feels He has called her too.
      By the way, you all are at serious risk of telling God what He can and can not do when you say He can not lead someone or reveal a plan for someone in a different way than He normally does. Very dangerous ground! Don't tell God what He will and will not do. I so pray that BM is right and that there will be a true revival! And instead of BM talking about unity in a new world religion (wherever you got that is beyond me), maybe you should look at yourselves and ask if you are a proponent of unity. Perhaps she is talking about the same unity that Christ prayed for in His very last prayer...unity of the believers.

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    3. I definitely agree. Also, if she is such a false prophet, why do the likes of Priscilla Shirer (Tony Evans' daughter), Kay Arthur, etc. join in teaching with her? Do the nay-sayers also believe they are false teachers? And I have to say, the closer to God you are and search to know Him, the more likely He is to clearly reveal Himself. Beth was definitely foreseeing the condemnation of these "all knowing" Christians and they are already revealing themselves in these responses.

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    4. In regard to Kay Arthur, I will make no comment as I am not at all familiar with her teaching.

      In regard to Priscilla Shirer, one need to look no further than her participation in the "Be Still" DVD. This production is a flat-out acceptance and promotion of Contemplative / Mystical prayer...which has no basis in Scripture. It advocates the "silence", emptying our minds, going down "inside ourselves" so that we can supposedly hear God speak to us. This is nothing more than Eastern Meditation with some Christian jargon thrown around it to make it sound nice and pretty. I have 2 questions about this. 1.) Where is this taught in Scripture? 2.) If indeed you hear a voice speaking, how do you know it is the God of the bible doing the talking? Remember, even Satan and his demons mask themselves as angels of light.

      Whenever we seek an "experience", whenever we seek to "hear the still, small voice" of God, whenever we seek to "go beyond", we are effectively saying this..."God, Your Word isn't enough for me." This leads to any and all kind of subjective, liver-shiver experiences that have nothing to do with the God of the bible. And, as a side note, it sets up those people who do "hear the voice of God" to be, for lack of better terminology, super Christians who are more spiritual then those of us who do not hear God speaking to us. If a person is not grounded firmly in their walk, they will become discouraged and ask if they are really a Christian at all because they arent "hearing God" the way Priscilla Shirer or Beth Moore do. "What's wrong with me?" will be the question asked.

      God HAS ALREADY SPOKEN TO US. It is objective. It is firm. It is tangible. We have His words available to us. We can hear Him speak anytime we choose. All we need to do is open up our bibles. We do not need Contemplative, mystical, Roman Catholic, Eastern-style meditation experiences to hear and experience God. He is right there for experiencing and hearing in His Word. Pick it up from the coffee table, dust it off and begin to learn and know of Him. He will speak to you through it.

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  16. Joe Ramsey,

    Paul exposed false teachers - was he wrong to do so?

    Your ad hominem attacks against those who are warning of false teachings, really just shows where YOUR heart is. You don't seem to cared if false teachings are invading the Church. You apparently see Beth Moore as a prophet of God who can teach anything she wants whether it is biblical or not.

    The surest way to confuse the faithful, corrupt the truth, and impede the work of the gospel is to tolerate and accommodate false teachers. John MacArthur.

    And you, sir, are accommodating a false teacher and vilify those who expose her.

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    1. Glenn, Well said Amen!

      Teresa

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  17. I ask, what kind of outpouring are we to see here? It is not specified, and I don't think it's going to be good.

    Besides my issue with Beth being a teacher (authority over men and all that), I think that what she taught about not listening to the critics, the scoffers, is simply going to close the ears of those who are already having them tickled, and do an incredible amount of damage. In some ways, I just see it as part of the ever growing divide between those who live by the word of God (as revealed in scripture) and those who go with the liver shiver mentality.

    I've seen other teachers starting to use this tactic too - this method is on the increase.

    Breaks my heart.

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  18. What has she said that goes against the God's Word? That she had a revelation from God in a dream? That is biblical. Has the Holy Spirit never spoken to you? What about in ways you would have never expected? If not, maybe you should have a salvation check. Joe references scripture, you Glenn, reference a man not mentioned in the bible.

    If you truly believe that what she is saying is false, have you prayed for her? The Bible says we are to pray for our enemies. As a Christian, a false prophet would be an enemy to me. Or do you, the other scoffers and the writer of the article just take pleasure in demeaning a woman who has made it her life's work to further the kingdom of God? Of the accused and those that are accusing, the only true heart I can discern here is that of Ms. Moore. Maybe what she is saying hits a little to close to home and you have allowed public opinion or threat of persecution sway your convictions from God's Truth to what is accepted by the world. In order for our relationship with Jesus to genuine, we are accountable to Him and Him only. As a fellow Christian, we should put aside denominational differences (which I suspect is the root of the article) and pray for one another instead of constantly berating and condescending others. That behavior does nothing to glorify the God we all claim to serve and has devastating consequences on the God's work here on earth. If we have ownership in someone not coming to know the Lord because of infighting, bickering and name calling between God's 'church' - Christ's bride, then we will be held accountable in Heaven. What have you done to further the kingdom of God? Criticism is not a fruit of the Spirit.

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    1. "Criticism is not a fruit of the Spirit"

      So why are criticizing those who rightly oppose Beth Moore, aka FALSE TEACHER?

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    2. Hebrews 1:1-2...the gist of those verses...God HAS SPOKEN...past tense
      Revelation 22:18-19...the gist of those verses...do not ADD TO or TAKE AWAY from God's Word

      When Beth Moore says, "God said to me" or "God told me", she is adding to Scripture. God cannot speak and it not be binding and absolutely true. Therefore, we must add what God is telling Beth Moore to the back of our bible and treat it as Scripture if, in fact, God is telling her these things.

      Is this something we want to do? Judging from past "revelations" she has received from God, the answer to that is an emphatic NO. Please remember, God "gave her a vision of the church as Jesus sees it"...that "vision" included the RCC as part of the "church as Jesus sees it". That is patently unbiblical.

      ANYBODY that says "God told me" and isn't reading from an open bible in their hands can, and should, be ignored without worry because it isn't the God of the bible who is doing the speaking.

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    3. Have you ever heard the term extra-biblical, if not look it up.


      Teresa

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    4. Dave Stokhover, "God cannot speak"? Really? Ex 20:1, Gen 46:2, Acts 7:6, Gen 8:15, shall I go on? I think I may have misunderstood your writing?

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    5. Yes you definitely misunderstood. I said "God cannot speak and it ( what God said ) not be binding and absolutely true"....meaning, when God speaks, it is Scripture...it is binding...it is absolute truth. Therefore, when ANYBODY says, "God said to me" or "God told me", we must add these statements to the back of our bibles because God cannot speak and it be anything but absolutely true.

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  19. Discernment is not a option it is a commandment. If you are not discerning you are already deceived. (Be not deceived 1 Corinth: 15-33, Galatians 6:7 - Deuteronomy 11: 6-7 and Job 15: 31. I would suggest you listen to Jacob Prasch u-tube on the "The Spirit of Truth" Beth Moore is dangerous.

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  20. Joe Ramsey M.BST.March 3, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    To set the record straight- I was not attacking you! We are brothers in Christ and I will NOT be a participant in attacking another brother. I was hoping to have a quality discussion without hurting feelings. I was simply providing you with my experiences over the years and expressing a caution to those of you on this website who quite possibly might be defamating the character of a fellow Christian and providing you with the perception that I received when reading your article. It continues to outrage me when Christians continue to bash other Christians just because they disagree over a non-doctronal issue. This is very dangerous territory.

    So Glenn Have you ever heard your pastor say something wrong? So lets take them out and burn them at the stake as you are attempting to do with Beth Moore. Beth Moore is no prophet according to my definition but there is probably a dictionary out there that says that every pastor is a prophet. I am simply suggesting that you let God deal with these that are false teachers. He will. My other question is how many people do you believe have been saved through her ministry? I know several. How can we say that she is a false teacher when she is teaching a salvation message? If people are being saved through her ministry is this demonic? Even more do you not believe that the Holy Spirit would reveal such "corruption" to the many that know her and attend her seminars. Are they just "sheep who cant think for themselves?" I don't believe so.
    The word to ponder because we are quick to quote parts of this:
    Matt 7:15-20 (1599 Geneva Bible) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns? or figs of thistles?
    17 So every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Cant we find another cause to be passionate about? Like the staggering fact that Christians in the middle east and north Africa are being persecuted and killed for their belief in Christ, or maybe the massive revival that is taking place in China where Bibles are so scarce that they share and trade pages so that they can read and know the word of God. Here should be another focus of our prayer. Glenn, please pray for China, the middle east, and North Africa as well as the collapse of morality and stability in our country.

    God Bless
    Joe Ramsey

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    1. I completely agree with you.

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    2. I do think that God have given each of us varied gifts for the use in the body of Christ. While some need to warn us of false teachers, other true brother's and sister's feel compelled to pray or extend mercy. Both are right. I don't think it's wise or discerning to rail on each other but rather give ear to a warning and check it out. Also to heed Joe's call to send Bibles and pray for Africa. But lets not excuse the responsibility to check into these contradictions of Beth Moore because of great need in Africa. Both are important.

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    3. Joe - I have family members in China, the Bible is not scarce. It can be bought at the airports and stores. Yet, it is still a communist nation and there may be some rural areas where there is limited access to the Bible, but all in all, there are plenty of Bibles to be had in China. China is the largest supplier of Bibles around the world.
      Also, the "massive revival" needs to be discerned biblically.

      I also think some people are discerning a pattern of false teaching rather than a misspoken word or a differing doctrinal interpretation. This is why the warning, not to bash a person, but a person's *pattern* of teaching.

      This is how I take it.

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    4. Joe, I agree with your comments about Beth Moore. I believe Beth Moore is Biblically sound and speaks the truth too. God can speak to people still and who are we to question whether God gave Beth Moore the word she said God gave her? The ones attacking her are falling into Satans trap, in my opinion, as he wants us to attack our brothers and sisters in Christ. Beth Moore points people to The Lord not to herself. I have attended her Bible studies (filmed in her former home church in Houston) and she has always exuded love, compassion and directs praise toward The Lord not herself. She encourages attendees to memorize Bible scriptures and we all should do that. Again, thanks for speaking the truth that some people here don't want yo hear...it messes up ethic arguments against Beth Moores women's ministry.

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      You've just demonstrated your total lack of discernment. I have researched a few of Moore's "studies," and reported on them on my blog. Moore is a horrible teacher who twists Scripture worse than a Jehovah's Witness. What she claims God tells her always contradicts Scripture, and yet we're supposed to believe she gets direct revelation from God?!? The ones following Beth are the ones "falling into Satans trap" as they listen to the Word of God distorted, listen to her approval of Roman Catholicism, listen to her preach pop psychology, etc, etc. Of course Moore has some good teachings - almost all false teachers do. But I suppose you'd drink a glass of water with some poison in it? That's what Moore's teaching is like.

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  21. Anonymous 3/3/2:03 PM

    What has she said that goes against the God's Word?

    Well, let’s first look at how she handles the Bible. Take Mark 9:14-24. Moore claims that when Jesus came down from the Transfiguration with the three disciples He had taken with Him, He found the other nine arguing about why they weren’t taken with Him: Why had Jesus picked just Peter, James and John? Why weren’t the others good enough? This arguing supposedly gave them a failure of faith. Moore said that they had argued with the Pharisees and the teachers of the law until they talked them out of their faith. And this is why she says we are not to argue with “Pharisees” (i.e., those who speak against her) who want to destroy our faith in what God can do. The problem is that if she had continued the context to verse 29 her theory would have been dismantled. Jesus told them the reason they couldn’t cast out the demon was because This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting. (NKJV). Jesus didn’t say it was because they were arguing about why they weren’t chosen or because they were arguing with the Pharisees about anything. Since the text doesn’t say this, it is not proper for Moore to make this story up out of whole cloth. And this is an example of how she often treats the Bible.

    Take a look at my article at http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2008/05/beth-moore-revisited.html
    You will see the many unbiblical teachings in her 10-DVD series “Believing God.”

    Then you can go to my article about Moore’s “Breaking Free” study at
    http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2009/02/beth-moores-breaking-free.html

    Moore recommends Sarah Young’s book, “Jesus Calling,” a book rife with false teachings.

    I also suggest you review the many articles on this (Elizabeth’s) site where she demonstrates a lot of Moore’s teachings when compared with Scripture.

    Beth Moore is not my enemy - she is God’s enemy by abusing HIS Word. We are not “demeaning” anyone - we are exposing false teachings.

    You speak high praises of Moore, and demonstrate that your are emotionally invested in her, and therefore do not objectively evaluate her teachings. It isn’t about “denominational differences,” it is about whether blatant false teachings should be exposed. The Bible tells us over and over to expose what is false and we are doing so.

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  22. I've read through every one of these posts and after seeing 2 different people ask what exactly it is that Beth Moore "teaches" or "stands for" that's not Biblical..... NEITHER have been answered yet. The only responses have been to go look at someone else's opinion of her. So please someone answer the question of what it is that she teaches that's not biblical or what scripture she twists??
    I grew up in a very conservative/legalistic church and one of the good things that came from that was all of the scripture that I memorized and was grounded in. So saying that I am really confused on what it is you think that she stands for that's not biblical.
    I've been through 3 of her studies and have never had a "flag" raised in my Spirit... in fact God has worked in a mighty way in my heart over the last 2 years after digging deeper in the word and in my prayer life after doing one of her studies. It wasn't what she said or what notes I took -- it was what God spoke to my spirit in my quiet time b/c I was earnestly seeking Him.
    So one of you that have posted above or whoever it is that published this article -- please tell me EXACTLY what it is that she does/says that's not biblical.

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    1. I've read through every one of these posts and after seeing 2 different people ask what exactly it is that Beth Moore "teaches" or "stands for" that's not Biblical..... NEITHER have been answered yet.
      Anonymous,
      There's an entire article on this page that explains the concerns with this latest 'prophecy' by Beth Moore. There are links to other articles that examine her gross mishandling of Scripture, such as this one. I'm not really sure what other evidence you need. You're basing your opinion of Moore's teaching on the fact that you never felt a "flag" in your spirit. These articles base their concerns with her teaching on the clear, objective Word of God.

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    2. If God Himself came down & gave you evidence as to why Beth Moore is teaching falsehoods you would still demand more evidence. (Oh wait, He doesn't have to because He has already revealed it in His word.) Your eyes & ears are closed & you don't want to see or hear the truth. You would rather follow the religion of Beth Moore than search the Scriptures against what she says. You would rather trust your gut or the liver shivers you get when you listen to her amazing "experiences". You have what the Bible calls "itching ears". Just because your spirit doesn't get a "flag" or sound an alarm against her doesn't mean she's in the right. Think logically & stop seeking emotions & experiences. This blog post alone gives you great evidence against her, but it's not convincing to you. You're not convinced that what God Himself has revealed in the Scriptures about people like Beth is enough. If you want to reject what God says then there's nothing more we can do for you.

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  23. Joe Ramsey,

    You are INDEED attacking all of us who dare call Beth Moore a false teacher. We are not attacking Moore, rather we are attacking her teachings. We are not defaming her - we are objectively examining her teachings and demonstrating why she should not be a teacher, and why NO ONE should be using her material. And we are not “bashing” Moore over “non-doctrinal issues.”

    Yes, I’ve heard just about every teacher say something wrong, and I myself have probably said many things which were wrong, but that isn’t the case with Moore. She is CONSISTENT in her abuse of Scripture, CONSISTENT in her claims of direct revelation from God, CONSISTENT in her use of pop-psychology, CONSISTENT in her promotion of unbiblical contemplative and mystical teachings, CONSISTENT in her false spiritual warfare teachings, etc. These are not minor issues!

    No one is attempting to “burn” her at the stake - what we want is for her teachings to be removed from the Churches, to get people to stop spending their money on her dangerous material, and for book stores to quit selling it. There have been apologetics ministries who have confronted here with some of her false teachings and she has been found to be unteachable. (I personally e-mailed her about her claims of revelation from God and was responded to by one of her handlers who was adamant that Beth never claims direct revelation, regardless of the many examples I provided.)

    When a person claims direct revelation from God, they are claiming the position of a prophet. I don’t care what dictionary you look at for the word - the BIBLE is where we go for that definition.

    Just because someone teaches a “salvation message,” that doesn’t mean they can’t be a false teacher. It is the other stuff she teaches which lead people astray. Do you think it is okay to teach poor hermeneutics, to teach mysticism, to teach aberrational spiritual warfare, or to teach that Roman Catholicism is okay?

    God can use anything and anyone to lead people to salvation. God led me out of the Mormon church - so should we say it is okay to teach Mormonism because God can lead people to salvation from there? Pragmatism is not Biblical.

    The fruit of Beth Moore is thousands of women (and men) who are misled into the poor teachings noted above.

    We can be passionate about many causes all at the same time expose false teachings for what they are.

    I suppose in YOUR book, as long as anyone is including the gospel in their message, they can teach any other bizarre doctrines and twist the Scripture beyond recognition, and that’s okay.

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  24. I do not think that those asking questions are doing so with evil intent or even out of a blind loyalty to Beth Moore. I think that for many, this is the first time they have come across critics of her teaching and they are truly seeking Truth. Isn't this exactly what those of you that write these articles want?? For people to consider and question and compare to the Bible so that they can be guarded from false teachings, etc?
    If so, why are their questions met with snarky-ness, sarcasm and scathing attitudes? If these people have been told by their leadership that BM's studies are good, and have been through some of the studies, only to now find these criticisms and have to process through all that they've taken in and been told and do it all according to the Word....it might be surprising (shocking even), and take some time to process through.
    Questions are part of that process. If you really want to help, answer the people gently and in love, always using the Word so that they can see. Even if they ask what you see as redundant questions, you still should answer patiently and gently.... not in a tone that implies their stupidity.
    These questions and questioners are not coming at you rudely or in an ugly manner.... so you should not answer that way either.

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  25. "My bide is paralyzed by unbefief" by Beth Moore's revelation, how could His church be His church if it is full of unbelief? She goes on to say how she will question God for not giving her all she desired in this life. Show me how this lines up with Scripture? Please Joe or other of her supporters!

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  26. Assumptions about Beth Moore are made by her loyal disciples that have no basis in fact.
    #1 Beth Moore is saved.
    Prove it. Where is the "good fruit"? Why is she given a pass on James 2:14-18? She makes many grandiose claims about herself and her "ministry" but what has she really done? She changes the Word of God to suit whatever new thing she claims to have been given by God to her so she can pass it along to her disciples. Changing the Word of God, is that the actions of one who is God's spokesman? Is that the accepted actions of one who is truly born again? Can a person practice this sin for a lifetime and still pass muster at the Throne of God? The entire Book of 1John tells us no. Matt. 7:15-20, where is the good fruit, when all that falls from the tree of Beth Moore is rancid? Is our Lord a universalist? No, but Beth Moore is, according to her catholics remaining in their roman heresy "church" are our brothers and sisters and have no need to dump the doctrines of demons taught there. And no wonder, BM dabbles, flirts, and teaches doctrines of demons on a regular basis and her disciples love her for it. And somehow, all this is good fruit and acceptable to God---Wow!
    #2 Beth Moore is a false teacher. She claims to speak the real Gospel, but there is no evidence that she does. Instead we find another gospel of all-inclusiveness, one that requires no repentance, one that is mute on holiness, one that sets a person "free" to do as they please all in the name of "freedom in Christ" despite the fact that such a person is lead around by the nose into all their sordid lusts. And yet she claims to be "teaching the Gospel".
    #3 Defense of Beth Moore is of paramount importance, above that of "contending for the faith" (Jude 3&4) and above exposing the evil she perpetrates on those that listen to her (Eph. 5:11) and most of all above that of obeying the Word of God, because Beth Moore speaks new things from God that do not have to align with the Scriptures.
    These are the assumptions one has to make in order to elevate Beth Moore and her teachings to believable status. So, will you follow her down the broad road that leads to destruction (HELL)? Or will you turn to the Lord Who is ready to save?

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  27. Ebenz, what happened to stopping the Anons on comments?

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    1. Good question, Roy. Since nobody seemed to listen to my plea for no anonymous comments, I decided to give in and post them (most of them, anyway). Otherwise we'd have very few comments to post, and it would be the same people time and time again. This way we can all be amused by the 'drive-by' commenters who post their thoughts anonymously and then run.

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  28. Man alive. I'm going to have to go back in a year and re-write my big Twitter post. It's shocking how the "level headed" are going to great lengths to convince us that they're far more crazy than I thought.

    Yikes.

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  29. Thank you for this transcript and video! and PLEASE keep sounding the alarm on the teachings of Beth Moore. Never mind the negative comments by followers of these false teachings and these so-called prophetesses. This is our biblical call to name names as Paul did otherwise many will perish. And Beth Moore has many, many followers.This IS NO coincidence that Beth Moore would have this strong 'revelation' [delusion] right after the Strange Fire Conference by Grace to You Church last October 2013 (John MacArthur). This type of demonic ploy used by 'an agent of light' is meant to threaten those of us who are earnestly contending for the faith ONCE delivered unto the saints. Like Sanballat and Tobiah who sent Nehemiah a letter specifically to thwart the efforts of what God had commissioned Nehemiah to do. Read Nehemiah 6, [specific reference to Nehemiah 6:12-14]. Keep sounding the alarm about these false teachers and false teachings. Don't stop. The remnant is listening, watching and in need of encouragement. God bless you for keeping us informed. In the mighty name of Jesus, Amen.

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  30. Hi Erin,

    Wow, this is insanity, not even masquerading anymore! I am astonished that anyone defends Moore or listens to her anymore.

    What strikes me is how vague everything she says is, compared to how specific genuine Biblical prophecies are.

    And this: Moore states, "I'm just asking you, are you thirsty? Are you hungry? ... But I will say to you, I'm just thirsty and I'm hungry."

    Hm, Scripture states: "[Jesus Christ says,] whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst...." John 4:14 NKJV

    and also

    "And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." - John 6:35 NKJV

    We have a surer word (2 Peter 1:19) written for us, that is, the Bible, that we may know Him as He is. The truth sets us free.

    Boy, posts like this sure make me glad I never had anything to do with Moore from the get-go, thank you Lord. I pray more believers would come out from her teachings and be separate!

    -Carolyn

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  31. There is so much that is heartbreaking about this whole thing. iIn addition, it is actually quite chilling to see a woman who professes to love Jesus be so cluelessly and so directly used by satan. However there are things Beth Moore says that make me angry too. Like this:

    "What God began to show me is that it would not just come from the mean-spirited it will also come from people who are just genuinely concerned about us. . . . The scoffers, I believe that God put on my heart, please test the spirit, pray and see if this is confirmed to you in prayer and in the study of the word."

    That's the problem with 'testing against the word'. God 'began to show her', and that is not in the word. How am I supposed to test what she says against the scriptures when it's from her mind? When Moore says things like 'there's gonna be an outpouring sometime in the future somewhere"? He "told" her, and that is NOT in the word. So at this point she has unhitched herself completely from the word and only offers a worn out cliche of a platitude and lies when she says 'test it.' Her talk is now only the thinnest of veneers of Christian-ese sounding talk and that makes me angry. She says test me, knowing it can't be done.

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    1. Maybe she can be "tested". No where in Scripture is there a promise of an "outpouring" of the Holy Spirit in our day. The dominionists (this includes Moore) have tried to hi-jack Joel 2:28-32 (see also Acts 2:17-21) and say that is what is coming, but Peter SPEAKING BY THE HO;Y SPIRIT (something that Moore claims, but can never prove) has said that Joel's prophecy was fulfilled at Pentecost. It is contrary to Scripture to predict, look for, or even pray for such a thing as Moore describes because the last days, just before the rapture, there will be "perilous times", apostasy, the "falling away" and the like with not even a hint of Moore's false prophecy being valid. In fact, just the opposite is true and that makes Beth Moore a FALSE PROPHET of the rankest sort.

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    2. Very well said Elizabeth Prata!!

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  32. Extra biblical revelation is anti-biblical and pure gnosticism. Gnosticism is all about the pursuit of supernatural revelation. The classic heresy of Gnosticism, which taught that a spiritual elite possessed “hidden knowledge” of the divine realm which placed their personal revelations, spiritual experiences, and private interpretation of Scripture above the ordinary revelation of God’s Word. So, having said that Beth Moore is a gnostic.


    Teresa

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  33. When I read this and watched the video, I simply knew I needed to do a word study on "downpour, revival, and scoffers."

    I don't find, "revival" in the NT. Psalm 119 is filled with ways to be revived, God's word, His precepts, ordinances, etc., nothing mystical about it.

    Scoffers are false teachers/unbelievers. Mrs. Moore should have done a word study on this before claiming God told her this and accusing brothers and sisters as, "Scoffers."

    Downpour of what? Revival?

    Her "prophecy" is false.

    My church is filled with adoration for Beth Moore and her studies.
    She has spoken at my church and is very good friends with our leadership.
    Personally, I do not do her studies, but I feel I should be on the look out and gently lead those in my path who adore her to look to Scripture above BM.

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  34. BM says "We ... must teach the Scriptures even if ... they differ from our long-held stance."

    Say what!! If we claim to be a Bible teacher, shouldn't our long-held stances be Biblical?

    Thanks, Elizabeth, and commenters for continuing to expose false teaching and training others in Biblical discernment. God Bless and Blessed Easter to all. ~Brenda

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  35. It should not surprise us that the false teachers like BM who “ Believers are heaping to themselves in these last days”, never are the ones to warn their followers of “false teachers who Believers are heaping to themselves in these last days.” The reason is because they are "It." However now that time is getting shorter and the “false teachers who believers are heaping to themselves in these last days” have made the move to unify with the Catholic Church and a Pope who kissed the Koran and who says we all worship the same God, they are preparing to warn their followers that we are the scoffers and they adhere to the Truth. Notice when you listen to the whole audio (it's at “ Beth Moore Hears Voices, Claims to be Prophetess” at Rosebrough's site “Ezkiel Countdown,”) that she says the test of whether they or the coming outpouring is genuine or not will be their ability to endure trial. She says the specific trials will be used by God to specifically prove their genuiness. Now the way the Bible teaches us that the way to know if someone or something is Truth or Genuine or not is to test those things by the Word of God. BM is teaching otherwise.
    This whole rant of hers is the beginning of the preparation of her followers to usher in the Anti-Christ rather than Jesus, while having an explanation as to why they are receiving so much flak from the rest of the Body of Christ.

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  36. My church has bought its way into a BM video seminar this weekend, and I have been cruising sites discussing the pros and cons of her ministry, trying to figure out if this association is a godly one. With respect to this site, I have read through the opening presentation and down through approximately the first half of the comments.

    My head hurts.

    I find sufficient instances of free-range BM-o-getical theology to warn me off of this lady and enough over-kill nit picking of instances of fairly harmless-even insightful- BM commentary to make me nervous around the hypervigilant protectors of doctrinal purity who would second my distrust of BM.

    My goodness! How would any of us survive so pejorative a review of our faltering understandings of God's ways with us and the wonders of His Word?

    I don't do much commenting on blogs and am somewhat confused as to protocols for “publishing" on this one. I don't have time to contemplate my way to mystical revelation so I guess I'll just hit the big blue "PUBLISH" button and see what happens.

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