20 March 2013

NoCo90: The Myth of Free Will


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  1. Ah yes, free-will, the golden calf of many who would supplant the sovereign God of creation with a god of their own making. A god who will yield to their every whim, give them security in their imagined salvation and allow for all manner of sin to continue unchecked because they are poor, back-sliden carnal christians. A god who demands acceptance along side the real Lord Jesus as another way to heaven. A god who would remove verse after verse from the Word Of God in order to deceive as many as possible.

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  2. "And ye will not come unto me, that ye might have life.”—John v 40.

    THIS is one of the great guns of the Arminians, mounted upon the top of their walls, and often discharged with terrible noise against the poor Christians called Calvinists. I intend to spike the gun this morning, or, rather, to turn it on the enemy, for it was never theirs; it was never cast at their foundry at all, but was intended to teach the very opposite doctrine to that which they assert. Usually, when the text is taken, the divisions are:—First, that man has a will. Secondly, that he is entirely free. Thirdly, that men must make themselves willing to come to Christ, otherwise they will not be saved. Now, we shall have no such divisions; but we will endeavour to take a more calm look at the text; and not, because there happen to be the words “will,” or “will not” in it, run away with the conclusion that it teaches the doctrine of free-will. It has already been proved beyond all controversy that free-will is nonsense. Freedom cannot belong to will any more than ponderability can be­long to electricity. They are altogether different things. Free agency we may believe in, but free-will is simply ridiculous. The will is well known by all to be directed by the understanding, to be moved by motives, to be guided by other parts of the soul, and to be a secondary thing. Philosophy and religion both discard at once the very thought of free-will; and I will go as far as Martin Luther, in that strong assertion of his, where he says, “If any man doth ascribe aught of salvation, even the very least, to the free-will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright.” It may seem a harsh sentiment; but he who in his soul believes that man does of his own free-will turn to God, cannot have been taught of God, for that is one of the first principles taught us when God begins with us, that we have neither will nor power, but that he gives both; that he is “Alpha and Omega” in the salvation of men.

    Our four points, this morning, shall be,—First. that every man is dead, because it says, “Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life.”Secondly, that there is life in Jesus Christ—”Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life.” Thirdly, that there is life in Christ Jesus for every one that comes for it—” Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life;” implying that all who go will have life. And fourthly, the gist of the text lies here, that no man by nature ever will come to Christ,for the text says, “Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life.” So far from asserting that men of their own wills ever do such a thing, it boldly and flatly denies it, and says, Ye WILL NOT come unto me that ye might have life.” Why, beloved, I am almost ready to exclaim, Have all free-willers no knowledge that they dare to run in the teeth of inspiration? Have all those that deny the doc­trine of grace no sense? Have they so departed from God that they wrest this to prove free-will; whereas the text says, “YE WILL NOT come unto me that ye might have life.”

    Charles Haddon Spurgeon ~ "FREE-WILL—A SLAVE"" ~ DELIVERED ON SABBATH MORNING, DECEMBER 2, 1855

    Link to all of it: http://www.the-highway.com/Freewill_Spurgeon.html

    ~ Despeville

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  3. No Such thing as the "free will" EXCEPT that he is FREE in his sinful state and depravity. But no one can come to God except the Father draw him to Jesus
    ...Jonathan Edwards "argued that because the will always chooses what the mind things best, and because the unregenerate mind never thinks that God's way is best, a sinner will never act in a way that pleases God until God FIRST transforms the sinner's inward nature" <<I agree wholeheartedly

    I was talking to an Arminian brother once on a forum and brought up the exact verse that NOCO brought up -Proverbs 21:1 "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases".

    His answer to me was That applies to rulers. That it's not talking about men in general. He was trying to separate that man still has free will to choose.

    But what do you do with verses that clearly say God does whatever he pleases?"Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him."-Psalm 115:3?

    And the verse In Isaiah 64:6 where it says -"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away."

    When it says "All of us have become like (ONE) who is unclean, that means there are no individuals who are lone rangers who can make a decision apart from the whole. We are ALL considered as ONE who is unclean by God and no one individual has free will.

    At the heart of Puritan's thinking was a "concern for the glory of God's sovereignty:"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, bu his most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy"-Westminister Confession of Faith, Chap.5, Sec. 1.

    If man has free will then it's no longer God's GRACE.

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  4. The real question is Did Pastor Mike have the free will to NOT make this video? So many people will hate what he says to the point they think teaching against free will is evil. Why is it not evil in Pastor Mike's eyes? Could he choose to believe something is true that he knows isn’t? Free will is either true or it's not. If it is true then how can Pastor Mike be so blind as to not understand it? What stops him? If it is not true how can all the free willers be misled into believing it is true when they declare they are free to choose Jesus or not? It seems that either free will is not true or only the people that believe in it have it. Since the free willers teach God gave them free will to choose him but some of us don’t believe that everyone has that ability would that mean that God only elected some to have free will? Yes that is exactly how it works. Oh no the free willers are actually Calvinists

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    1. " Freedom cannot belong to will any more than ponderability can be­long to electricity. They are altogether different things. Free agency we may believe in, but free-will is simply ridiculous. "
      ~ Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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  5. I have been out of town for a few days, just got back. I wanted to share this one verse that says it all.


    1 Cor. 2:14 ESV

    The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.


    This verse is so clear...The natural man in this passage refers to unregenerated, unbelieving people; this means man in his natural fallen state apart from the regenerating grace of God can not make a "free will" choice or a decision for Christ or the things of God...plain and simple.

    Teresa

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    1. I agree with you Teresa.

      Scripture is perspicuous. It is not abstruse like many make it out to be. Man has a hard time bending his knee to it is all. Rather than accepting what Scripture actually teaches, many try and bend and twist it to their own preconceived ideas and bias bents like a waxed nose. They try and make it FIT with their way of thinking rather than accept what Scripture as a WHOLE actually teaches. Scripture MUST interpret Scripture. And YES we ALL come to the bible with preconceived ideas. But we ALL must submit to God's word and some of us have submitted more than others.

      This whole "free will" that man can regenerate himself via a decision; i.e. decisional regeneration is actually Core Roman doctrine. Scripture teaches that GOD ALONE saves people. Salvation is of the LORD-. "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."-Isaiah 43:11.
      If a person struggles with "free will" they need to first Go to the Lord in prayer asking him to remove anything that is not of HIS WORD and is not TRUTH. Then it would be a good idea to see how many times God's word uses the word CHOOSE, CHOSE...

      I think MANY who are free willers are afraid to accept that it is ALL God's GRACE and none of their choosing. Hypothetically speaking "if it's indeed true that there's no such thing as free will, then when they "chose" Christ, then their whole foundation and basis is false. this could mean that they are not truly saved. When a person has worked all their lives from the moment they "chose" Christ, then that means that they are resting on a lie. It's a very scary truth for many. It's not easy to let go and admit that.
      Now I'm not saying that many who believe in free will are Not saved. But their basis is not what saved them it was God who truly chose them and they are saved.

      I've met some beautiful men and women who are free willers but they have formed some unbiblical ideas and are very hostile to those of us who are not. I still enjoy learning many things from people like Dave Hunt and Adrian Rogers.

      But they failed to give God ALL the glory and honor due His NAME.

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    2. If you're right then I was predestined to believe in free will. Go ahead and crash your hard drives trying to process that :-)

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  6. For Calvinists God's sovereignty is the only attribute worth speaking of. The main question that they seem to be concerned with is how can a sovereign God be loving, etc.? Sovereignty is not God's main attribute, but rather the power with which he exercises his other equally infinite attributes. So the question really should be, how would an infinitely loving, just, merciful, knowing, holy, present God use His sovereignty?

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  7. Bryan he would use it for HIS Glory

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