11 January 2013

Louie Giglio, Living Martyr?

It was announced on 8 January that Louie Giglio, pastor of Passion City Church in Atlanta and founder of the Passion conferences, had accepted an invitation to deliver the benediction at President Obama's inauguration on 21 January.

Immediately following that announcement, someone dug up a 15–20 year old sermon of Giglio's wherein he made comments about homosexuality that didn't sit so well with the loudest voices in this country. By the morning of 10 January, Giglio had withdrawn his acceptance of the invitation.

With this news, Louie Giglio immediately became a living martyr among evangelicals. Indeed, the backlash and response to the contents of his sermon was unfortunate—there is little arguing that fact. At the same time, it really should not surprise the Christian who does not have his head stuck in the sand. America is, after all, a Romans 1 nation. We love our sin. We love our sexual sin. We revel in it. We celebrate it. So what do you expect?

But, is Giglio's withdrawal from the inauguration ceremony worthy of the praise and commendation of Christians? Has he taken the strong stance that so many evangelical leaders would have us believe? Is he a victim, taken to the figurative stake and burned for his adherence to God's Word?

Now, the argument is swirling based upon a New York Times (NYT) article that Giglio was asked to step aside, that he in essence was ousted. This was the scenario painted at Denny Burk's blog, however the quote in question has since been removed from the original NYT article.

If one looks at the pastor's own words, though, Giglio says, "I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President’s invitation." So if Louie Giglio was asked to step aside, then that needs to be said by Louie Giglio. Otherwise, we should take him at his word. He is, after all, a Christian pastor, and thus his word should be able to be trusted, should it not?

With that, and because Louie Giglio wears the title of Christian pastor, it behooves the Christian to examine the statement he has made regarding this decision to withdraw. The remainder of this post will look at that statement in its entirety, as it was shared with Louie Giglio's own church.

At the blog of Passion City Church, we read
Dear PCC Family,

Though I was invited by the President of the United States to pray at his upcoming inauguration, after conversations between our team and the White House I am no longer serving in that role. I sent the following statement to the White House today:
I am honored to be invited by the President to give the benediction at the upcoming inaugural on January 21. Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.

Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration. Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.

Neither I, nor our team, feel it best serves the core message and goals we are seeking to accomplish to be in a fight on an issue not of our choosing, thus I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President’s invitation. I will continue to pray regularly for the President, and urge the nation to do so. I will most certainly pray for him on Inauguration Day.

Our nation is deeply divided and hurting, and more than ever we need God’s grace and mercy in our time of need.
The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.

As a pastor, my mission is to love people, and lead them well, while lifting up the name of Jesus above anything else. I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people—any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to Jesus.

In all things, the most helpful thing I can do is to invite each of us to wrestle with scripture and its implications for our lives. God’s words trump all opinions, including mine, and in the end, I believe God’s words lead to life.

My greatest desire is that we not be distracted from the things we are focused on…seeing people in our city come to know Jesus, and speaking up for the last and least of these throughout the world.

Honored to be your pastor,
Louie
Let's break this down:
I am honored to be invited by the President to give the benediction at the upcoming inaugural on January 21. Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.
Uniting around common goals is fine, so long as the gospel is not compromised in the process. Any pastor agreeing to offer the benediction at an event such as this should do so with the gospel in mind, not a social agenda. If one truly desires to "end slavery in all its forms," then start with the great eternal slavery of sin, and seek to "end" that by preaching repentance and forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ.
We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. (Rom. 6:6–7)
Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. (Rom. 6:16–18)
Giglio continues,
Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration.
One might ask Mr. Giglio: Do you still believe the words you preached 15–20 years ago? Do you believe what the Scripture says about the sin of homosexuality? Then stand firm on that Scripture. It is the only worthwhile support you have. If the media labels you as "anti-gay" in the process, does it really matter?
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. (John 15:18–23)
May we be counted worthy to be persecuted for the name of Christ! May we never back down on what we know to be true because it has been spoken in His Word. May we never be ashamed of our Master, seeking to step aside from conflict that arises simply because the world hates Him, as He told us it would.

Next, Giglio offers a most curious statement:
Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. 
Look closely at the sentence above and then answer this question: If a man has not seen fit to preach on the topic of sin in the past fifteen years, then can he legitimately wear the title of Christian pastor? Homosexuality is a sin. It is in the Bible. Preaching about sin (not just homosexual sin, but all sin) must be a weekly priority for every pastor. Why? Because without teaching your flock about the sinful nature of man, without sharing with them their depravity and wickedness, they cannot see their need for a Savior, nor can they see and understand the great, glorious, saving gospel of grace! The Good News is not good news if there is not bad news delivered first. A pastor who has not placed sin as a priority within his sermons for one and a half decades is, it could be argued, a pastor in name only. The Apostle Paul tells us,
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. (1 Tim. 1:15–16)
Giglio then shares what the purpose of his ministry has been over the past fifteen years:
Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.
This sentence does not even make sense. Is he calling people to be significant? One would hope not, since Jesus must always increase as we decrease (John 3:30). Further, one cannot "make much of Jesus" if one diminishes sin. With a diminished view of sin, Jesus is unnecessary. The good news of the gospel, as Paul taught us in 1 Timothy (quoted above) is that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners and that, through his life, death and resurrection He has saved sinners. But if we choose to ignore the concept of sin in any form, then that good news fails to maintain any concept of goodness. Christians are to call people to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ (Luke 24:47). Any other mission is doomed to fail.

What Giglio has stated here is not the gospel. And if Louie Giglio's aim has not been to proclaim the gospel and the whole counsel of God, then he has been gravely off-target. If one truly desires to "make much of Jesus Christ," then one may consider calling people to repent of their sins and to turn to Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Nothing gives God more glory.

Giglio continues:
Neither I, nor our team, feel it best serves the core message and goals we are seeking to accomplish to be in a fight on an issue not of our choosing, thus I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President’s invitation. I will continue to pray regularly for the President, and urge the nation to do so. I will most certainly pray for him on Inauguration Day.
Mr. Giglio has been called out and attacked for teaching the truth about the sin of homosexuality as found in God's Word. Yet, this is not a battle he thinks is worthy to fight? Oh, what a travesty! To think there is a man posing as an under-shepherd of the Lord Jesus Christ who will not stand and defend his Shepherd's Word!
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3)
Opposition will come from both within and without. In neither instance is the Christian to retreat from the battle that rages against God's truth.

Continuing Giglio's statement:
Our nation is deeply divided and hurting, and more than ever we need God’s grace and mercy in our time of need.
More than ever, this country needs the truth. It does not need weak and wobbling Christians.
The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.
Yes, individuals have a right to "hold differing views" on this subject (though all Christians should hold the same view). Yet, how is withdrawing from this event demonstrating this? Those who would call Christians intolerant best learn to be tolerant themselves. Christians who cater to their whims should never complain, then, when liberal agendas plunge forward with commanding speed.
As a pastor, my mission is to love people, and lead them well, while lifting up the name of Jesus above anything else. I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people—any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to Jesus.
If a pastor truly wants to "love people and lead them well," then he best heed the duties of a pastor as declared in Scripture:
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:1–4)
Preach. The. Word. In season and out of season. Meaning, whether people like it or not. Whether it attracts 60,000 people or 6. Preach the word: reprove, rebuke, exhort. Teach truth because people would rather be led astray by false doctrine; lies that sound good now but that lead to damnation. You cannot truly "love people and lead them well" if you do not preach sin, and the forgiveness that is available through repentance of that sin and faith in Jesus Christ. You cannot effectively "lift up the name of Jesus above anything else" if you are willing to compromise on anything found in His Word.
In all things, the most helpful thing I can do is to invite each of us to wrestle with scripture and its implications for our lives. God’s words trump all opinions, including mine, and in the end, I believe God’s words lead to life.
It is a bit frightening to think that the most "helpful thing" a pastor can do is "invite" people to "wrestle with scripture." On the topic of homosexuality, the Bible is clear. On the topic of all sin, the Bible is clear. And on the way of salvation, the Bible is clear (John 14:6). The duty of the pastor is to open up Scripture, proclaim it and explain it so that those who are lost may hear the truth and be saved. God's words do lead to life, on this we can heartily agree.
My greatest desire is that we not be distracted from the things we are focused on…seeing people in our city come to know Jesus, and speaking up for the last and least of these throughout the world.
Again, people cannot "come to know Jesus" in a saving way if they are not helped to understand why they need Jesus Christ as their Savior. That entails preaching the whole counsel of God, including the reality of man's sinful nature and depravity, which is the very reason we need a perfect Savior in the first place.
for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. (Acts 20:27–28)
There is little doubt that my thoughts on this fall into the minority. As many Christians have sought to make Louie Giglio a living martyr, they have allowed themselves to compromise and to be blinded as to what Giglio has truly said in this statement. Why the compromise? So that they may be united against a common enemy: the liberals. Yet, why are we surprised that the liberals are angry over what they deem to be "anti-gay" sentiment? Why are we surprised that those who hate God are upset over what God says in His Word? Is this a reason to ignore the true implications of what has been stated here by the pastor of Passion City Church? If one truly examines this statement, one may find that Giglio's weak words here actually help to qualify him even more, in the mind of the liberal, to deliver the benediction at the inauguration.

The truths and convictions of God's Word ought never to be undermined to unite against a common enemy. The Bible is the greatest weapon Christians have at their disposal against the enemies of Christ. If we diminish that, then we have laid down our arms and are no longer worthy of the battle.

Further Reading
Thank You, Lord. Reader Is Led to "the Truth I Tried to Reject"
Jesus Culture and Judah Smith to Join Piper, Moore, Chan and Others at Giglio's Passion 2013
Doctrine Matters

27 comments:

  1. Excellent analysis. Spot on. You nailed it here, Erin. Kudos.

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    1. Praise God, thank you Dan. This was not posted without prayer. Giglio's words/actions just don't line up with Scripture.

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    2. I agree. Excellent post. By now I have read quite a few responses by various bloggers but none more carefully thought out than this one.

      -Taylor

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  2. I came across your blog last week when I was searching for videos of Passion 2013 and was curious whether you would comment on the inauguration and Louie. As best I can tell, the blog is dedicated to finding flaws and faults in various pastors often with detailed analysis like that above. I'm baffled as to the purpose of this. What does this accomplish? It seems your talents and energy could be better spent trying to spread the gospel vs undermining others who are doing that. I am involved with both Louie Giglio's and Steven Furtick's churches in Atlanta and Charlotte and I can tell you firsthand that lives, including my own, are being changed in these places every week.

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    1. Agreed! In a time of backlash against Christians, we should be supporting our brothers and sisters, not bashing and criticizing them. There's a difference between accountability and cattiness and this whole article had a very catty and snarky tone to it

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    2. I agree Alan. So many people out there have so many opinions about things they have no idea about. She obviously does not listen to Louie on a regular basis and has no idea what the man stands for. She needs to do some good solid research before she makes some statements like she did above. I would suggest that we all take another long look at James 3:1-12. To try and twist every word to the negative as she did is impressive. I am not saying Louie is perfect but wow no clue. All I see on this blog post is hate. I wonder if she realizes that she and her blog have become a tool for the devil, taking people’s eyes off of Christ and onto the fighting. John 13:35

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    3. Alan and Anonymous,

      In this article, I have stood upon Scripture. If you take exception to what is said here, then your issue is not with this blog or this article or with me, but with the Word of God.

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    4. Bob,

      I am dealing in this article with a public statement made by Mr. Giglio. His words have been measured against Scripture and found lacking. If you are so certain that I am in error here, then tell me what statements are erroneous and in need of more 'good solid research'? A great deal of what was said here is quoted from the Word of God, so who is your issue really with?

      The 'tools of the devil' are those who, in the name of Christ, diminish and downplay the truths of Scripture in efforts to please the masses. The 'tools of the devil' are those cower when God's truth is attacked. If we love the brethren, we will sound a warning when we see error and compromise overtaking His church.

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    5. WELL SAID ERIN.....WELL SAID

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    6. There are a lot of points that I could make in your articles where you made false assumptions about Louie and the intent of his response just so you could bash him.

      For one, you assume that since he has not made the specific sin of homosexuality a priority in his preaching that he does not preach against it. You take it even farther to assume that if he does not preach against this sin then he must not preach about other sins. Both are false assumptions. I know of at least once within that past year that Louie proclaimed the biblical view of marriage. He also preaches against many other sins and Hell. These assumptions have tainted your whole post. Add to that the apparent assumption that if you can get 60,000 people to come and listen to you talk about Christ then you must be doing something wrong.

      You have not stood on the Scripture in this blog. You did not measure the statement of Mr. Giglio. You wrote this article based on the assumptions you have made about what his statement meant not what he said. You have used scripture to cast stones at a fellow Christian and prop up your own assumptions. Satan himself can use scripture, Matt. 4:5-6, that doesn’t make it right. Even when Louie sends us to scripture, where he knows the right answer can be found, you even attack him for that. So to answer your question my issue is really with you and not the Word of God.

      I think we need to continue looking to the Word of God. I started with the beginning of James 3 in my comment but I think we need to read a little farther. James 3:13-18

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    7. Bob, are you saying that Christians should be blind and gullible and just swallow everything fed to us? What does God's word say? Scripture please~~

      Bob you said-"She obviously does not listen to Louie on a regular basis and has no idea what the man stands for."

      Does one need to listen to people on a regular basis when error and false teachings are immediately spotted based on the word of God? If we apply your same logic to others, were we supposed to listen to people like David Koresh on a regular basis before we knew he was teaching error?

      Did Jesus need to listen to the Devil on a regular basis to know he was contorting the truth? No! Jesus immediately spoke the truth and said "Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God'"-Mat.4:4

      Bob you said "She needs to do some good solid research before she makes some statements like she did above."

      Erin has done a fine job and it is solid. When I read Giglio's statements and came to the conclusions I did based on God's word they matched what she concluded.

      It goes both ways and I would ask that you sincerely do some good solid research.. Pot meet kettle

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    8. Linda,
      I am not sure where you read that I think Christians should be gullible?

      See that is the thing about Louie's response there is nothing in it that is unbiblical you have to build upon them with your own assumptions and take them to a negative point.

      I see no research. I see her making assumptions as apparently you did as well.

      And I would gladly do some research if you can tell me what I need to research.

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  3. I totally agree Erin. Also, I cannot help feeling that this was all a show. That the team knew that Giglio had preached that sermon before they invited him, and they asked him on purpose. They don't want to just deal with us as things arise -- they are out to shame us publically. They want opportunity to call us names on national TV. They have to do this to shame christians and the rest of America into silence. They know the majority don't agree with what they are trying to do. Those who do, do only because they have been brainwashed by the media and/or shamed already into silence. The rest must be taught a lesson - shut up or you will be humiliated publically. This is only the beginning.

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  4. The internet lit up yesterday when it came out. I don't know what happened behind the scenes so I don't know what to make of it, quite. If Obama told him not to,then Giglio was properly submitting to authority. If he withdrew prior to any contact from the White House, just because the heat from the gay agenda got too hot, then that is another thing altogether.

    I carefully read all his statements, the ones released to the press and the ones on his own website. I was disappointed in two things.

    When he said, "“Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years" it made it sound like a pastor can pick and choose which topics or sins to preach over. That isn't true. You can't "make much of Christ" without letting people know of sin, ALL sins.

    Second, his stated reason reasoning for dropping out was disappointing too.

    "the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration" makes it sound as if a pastor can choose what or where to preach based on the amount of reaction he would receive. We don't make decisions based on anticipating what the secular culture's reaction to the word will be. The Holy Word has more power than angry unsaved people, after all.

    It was a good opportunity Giglio lost to share the Gospel, either by staying put and sharing it during the benediction, or by sharing clear Gospel words when he was booted out, in which case the consequences would clearly be on the President. Neither of these happened, and that is disappointing.

    I loved the living martyr phrase. The whole thing is just so sad, and spiritually tiring. [sigh]

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  5. "Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ."


    THANK YOU for addressing this particular comment Giglio made. This drove me crazy(well, all of it did but this in particular because it makes no sense)! How can a person be of ultimate significance while making much of Jesus Christ? If that's the case, then you're not making much of Jesus, you're making much of yourself. Do these guys ever listen to themselves? Thank you for such an awesome job with the entire article. So tired of the double-speak of these seeker-sensitive "pastors." It makes my head spin.

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  6. Very thorough reflection and post, Erin. Way to elevate Christ (the Word). We worship Him, not any renowned pastor.

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  7. How can any preacher of the Word of God make much of the "narrow way" and not warn of the "broad way," as Jesus did in Matthew 7:13-14? A preacher of the Word of God and not speak of the sin of homosexuality for 15+ years while our country has been bombarded with that issue like crazy for the last 4 years!? Unbelievable!

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  8. I must say .... this is a " witch hunt " ....I think you have misinterpreted many times throughout his letter.. I don't agree with most of your analysis ~ Is it not understood first and foremost he was " pressed " into stepping down BECAUSE of his message 15-20 years ago ? And yes indeed pastors who are called by GOD , do/should listen to that ever present voice, guiding them into "their" particular ministry ~ Otherwise they would be all over the place with the amount of sin in this world. GOD focuses & is orderly . Giglio's letter is merely a courteous and polite way of formally declining that not so open invitation , and by stating his true stance on certain matters he was removed for ... GOD CALLS ... HE doesn't push us into ministries . The fact that The Holy Spirit hasn't made homosexuality Giglio's focus is not difficult to understand ~ Who is to say he has not "warned" of the "Broadway" publically or privately in his personal ministry ? This was not the purpose nor the place in a Presidential inauguration ~ You may not agree with this, but no matter how robust and driven we are in GOD'S WORD , there is unfortunately protocol in such matters and you better believe, especially in this Presidency , his mike would have been cut off. It has happened to Billy Graham. What is so difficult to understand about this particular comment ? "Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ." Really what is it you don't clearly see here ? I see it as beautifully obvious ~ Calling the living spirit in people to the height of understanding & living in Christ .... You don't get that? I know this ... GOD anointed this man .... he has a remarkable ministry with young people ... by compelling them into the awesome immensity of GOD ALMIGHTY ... and I for one refuse to " touch his head " .... GOD'S SHALOM to ALL..... I could go on with rebuttal line by line ... where the scripture you have used DOES NOT apply ... but I will leave that to GOD ... Giglio doesn't need me as a defender ... he already has THE BEST ONE....

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  9. How convenient the only published one's are the those that mistakenly agree with you !! How obvious ~~

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  10. Since you refuse to show .... all sides .... I have copied this entire article ... your off base rebuttals .... and responses and posted them for all to see ~~~ You know GOD really; doesn't like when a person takes the kin words of the very person HE has given a ministry to ... and TWISTS them ... for instance your first one that so few seem to see through ...

    I am honored to be invited by the President to give the benediction at the upcoming inaugural on January 21. Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.

    Uniting around common goals is fine, so long as the gospel is not compromised in the process. Any pastor agreeing to offer the benediction at an event such as this should do so with the gospel in mind, not a social agenda. If one truly desires to "end slavery in all its forms," then start with the great eternal slavery of sin, and seek to "end" that by preaching repentance and forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ.

    Who are you to say , his "common goals" were not simply family & and love of many things? I am not an Obama fan, and neither is Giglio a political supporter of his , but he has the God given grace to show the appreciation of the office of Presidency~ that is not social that goes to the depth of GOD & country .... How do you have such inside knowledge that you don't know he " DID have the gospel in mind " ... that is a huge misleading assumption on your part , and the sheep followed right along in agreement with you, without thinking or using their heart & mind. Your words are contradictory .. Please explain HOW can you "end slavery in all its forms," when it is the "great eternal slavery of sin".... You call sin eternal yet you say it can be ended !!! CHRIST is the One who came to sacrifice Himself for the sins of the world... not Louis Giglio !! So therefore it isn't L.G. who can end this "eternal" evil of sin no matter how much he nor anyone else preaches repentance, or forgiveness. Not even you can do that ~~ L.G. has and will do more good in spreading the Gospel of Christ than you will ever dream ~~ & if I were you I'd watch your step with God .... You can fool some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time but not ALL of the people all of the time .... Your attempt of Pride-fully raising yourself above , which sadly is swallowed by some here , is disgraceful...and if I were you I would get on my knees with GOD about it .... I can take each one of your rebuttals and tear them apart ... fir instance 15-20 years ago ... he does not say he cares what the media might report ... where does he even infer that ... it's you who do that ... he doesn't say he doesn't preach about it still today ... where does he say that ... he says " it isn't a focus " but you twisted that around too... I find it so disheartening someone who has a blog and professes to be a Christian can jump on the fine ministry of a man who has been so blessed by GOD with knowledge & attempt to destroy that ministry .... Shame on you ~

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    1. Hi Karen,

      Thank you for stopping by and for sharing your thoughts.

      First of all, your accusation that I 'refuse to show all sides' and only publish those comments that agree with the article seems rather silly, doesn't it? One glance at this comment string demonstrates that those claims are false.

      The reason that your comment wasn't published immediately - as you expected that it should be - is that, instead of sitting at my computer waiting for the next comment to come in, I decided to enjoy a Saturday brunch with a dear friend whom I haven't seen in nearly a year. I see that my decision to do this has caused you a great deal of distress. I am terribly sorry. If you mean to imply that I'm filtering the comments before choosing which to publish, rest assured that I only refuse to publish those comments that violate the comment policy, which everyone is asked to read before commenting. As for this article, thus far every comment that I have received has been posted for all to see, including all three of yours.

      As for the remainder of your words, it seems as though it would be a waste of time to respond, as you clearly have already drawn your conclusions about this article, this blog and me.

      Again, I apologize that the brief period of time that you had to wait between leaving your comment and seeing it published caused you such distress. I do hope that the rest of your day turns around.

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  11. Thank you for taking the time and courage to post such a thorough and thoughtful article. I am praying for the Christians in this nation to grow in discernment and count the cost to stand firm in the faith on the foundation of the Word, not to get caught up in every new thing that is based on a worthy cause but discredits the gospel. May God have mercy on us all.

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  12. well, when someone dug up what Giglio said about homosexuality 20 years ago, it sent a message out to the world and especially to Christians that Giglio wanted to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.. His stance against homosexual sin as a Pastor should not have changed his mind and cause him to withdrawal.

    I'm disappointed that Giglio wimped out and buckled. SUCH an opportunity to show all @ Passion 2012 what it truly means to be bold for Jesus Christ, to be a follower of Jesus Christ for the CROSS of Christ.

    Giglio took a lit lamp and put it under a bowel-Mat.5:15. Once Again-Another pastor bites the dust --and he has given the world an excuse to continue to justify their lifestyle.

    Why should ANY pastor be ashamed that someone found out their stance against the sin of homosexuality?

    They played Giglio -and tested his mettle and he failed-(Tekel)-Giglio. What a public disgrace to Christianity. Now that "pastor" Giglio cowered under pressure and tolerance,, Christianity will be more and more publicly shamed, maligned, used as a launching pad, misrepresented and used as a battering field-how convenient and how crafty.

    Pro 18:5 "It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the innocent of justice.


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  13. Karen
    Bob
    Jill Martin Rische
    There was a man (who has gone to be with his Lord) who spoke, and wrote many things exposing the evils of cults just like the one Mr. Giglio has been sucessful with by duping the minds of gullible people and providing them with an idol god that suits their sins. This man was not well liked by those of the religious systems of his day because he was unafraid to speak the truth concerning the evils he exposed but was more interested in "contending for the faith once for all delivered to the saints". His books are available today and many of his sermons are on line. His name will be familiar to many and still hated by others: Walter Martin.

    Linda
    Wow!! Well said!!

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