02 January 2013

Beth Moore's 'Sabbath Moment' Playdate with God

The following is excerpted from Beth Moore's book, The Beloved Disciple. Consider the implications of the claims she makes in the following paragraphs. Bold emphasis is added:
Beloved, I am convinced one of our severest needs is pure rest. Not only sleep, but refreshment and recreation. Recently God spoke to me about capturing what He and I are calling "Sabbath moments." Like many of yours, my schedule right now is particularly tough, and I see no time in the near future for a number of days off. God spoke to my heart one Saturday morning while I was preparing for Sunday school: "My child, in between more intense rests, I want to teach you to take Sabbath moments." I wasn't certain what He meant. Just that morning God confirmed His desire for me to drive all the way to the other side of Houston to the medical center to visit a patient with brain cancer. I was very thankful for the privilege of visiting this patient, but I knew in advance it would be tough emotionally and far from restful.
I fought the traffic across Houston, then visited with my new friend and her husband while choking back the tears. They have two young sons, and unless God performs a miracle, their mother will go home to be with the Lord before they are grown. I got in my car and prayed. I pulled out of the parking garage, fighting the tears. A few blocks later as if on autopilot, I turned my steering wheel straight into the parking lot of the Houston Zoo!
Christ seemed to say, "Let's go play." And that we did. I hadn't been to the zoo in years. I heard about all the improvements, but I never expected the ultimate: Starbucks coffee! (OK, so I don't have all my health issues down pat.) Can you imagine watching a baby koala take a nap in a tree on a rare cold day in Houston with a Starbucks grande cappuccino in your hand? Now that's a Sabbath moment! God and I had a blast
Beth Moore, The Beloved Disciple, (B&H Publishing: 2003), 220.
It seems reasonable to issue to Ms. Moore the same challenge recently issued here to Kim Walker-Smith of the band Jesus Culture: Prove it. You know, I just had a lunch date with God at Panera Bread (He loves their Frontega Chicken panini, by the way) and He told me that this story is completely fabricated. Don't believe me? Well, it does sound ridiculous, but who is to say that Moore's experience was real and mine was not?

If God really is speaking to Beth Moore, then she owes it to the Body of Christ to add these conversations and revelations to the 66 books of Scripture. God always speaks authoritatively, and thus no thing that He says is of less importance than another. If the above playdate, and the teaching about "Sabbath moments" truly is from God, then Christians everywhere best add the Book of Beth after the book of Revelation in their Bibles.

Before we do that, however, let us remember that Moore also claims to have been given a vision of the church "as Jesus sees it." An alleged vision of Christ's church which shockingly includes the apostate Roman Catholic Church.



It is difficult to believe that Jesus would include as part of his true Church a body that has anathematized his Gospel and the doctrine of justification by faith alone. When Beth Moore's conversations with God are tested against Scripture, then, they fail to meet the only true standard that exists—the true and living Word of God.

Further Reading
Jesus Culture and Judah Smith to Join Piper, Moore, Chan and Others at Giglio's Passion 2013
Caine, Moore and Bevere Teach Thessaloniki Women at 'Be the Change' Conference
Beth Moore Preaches Sunday Service at Louie Giglio's Passion City Church

33 comments:

  1. There are so many levels of heretical thought in her quote it is hard to know where to begin.

    First, the concept itself of "Sabbath moment.' Where is that in scripture? Has human busyness which has already condensed lengthy discourse down to a sound byte also shortened worshiping the Lord's Day down to a sabbath moment? Are we so busy we need to squeeze Him in to our own busy lives just so we don't lose touch? Or should I write "sqz Him in".

    Second, is the more troublesome sentence "as if on autopilot." Many of these new Gnostics use language like that as a way to both excuse and legitimize their actions simultaneously. it is supposed to have the effect on the reader of evoking a stance of, 'hey, it's not me doing it, it's God! Take it up with Him!"

    Moore used the same autopilot language in her book "When Godly People Do Ungodly Things". She wrote of her writing process, where she had been whisked by the Spirit Himself to a cabin in the mountains, where she was "'compelled by God to put ink to paper with a force unparalleled'".

    The fact is, the Spirit already indwells the believer, and He doesn't compel you or force you or steer your car for you. He is gentle and He guides. He does not possess you and make you do things like you're a robot.

    If the person is not a believer and is experiencing being compelled or forced or on autopilot (which implies conscious decision-making is turned OFF) then you are possessed by a demon. It is one or the other.

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  2. Over Christmas, I travelled to my home state, to spend the holidays with my Mom. She pointed something out to me - - her daily newspaper just announced that one of the local Roman Catholic churches was offering a Beth Moore bible study beginning after the New Year. At the same time, the Reformed Baptist church we planned on attending for Christmas Eve services also offers Beth Moore studies! This is a church that enjoys a reputation for being bible based and fairly expository. The fact that the RCC finds Beth Moore’s teaching acceptable should give Bible churches reason enough to cancel her studies and not expose their people to her mysticism and ecumenism. However, Beth is promoted relentlessly. Carol

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    1. Wow, that is incredibly telling, Carol - thank you for sharing. Yes, if the RCC has given something its blessing, then we know that it cannot be sharing the true saving Gospel of Christ, since the RCC itself has condemned that great salvation!

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  3. It's difficult to determine who is more whacked out, Beth Moore or the people who believe this tripe. I have listened to a seminary professor from the SBC seminary in NO La tell how God "spoke to him" on three occasions. It was not surprising to hear him say this because alot of his teaching was far past left field. The whole thing was filled with the arrogance of this man as he proceded to tell his SS class how God "spoke" to him as if he were elevated to some special elite class of Christian that we who have not experienced such a "blessing" were not as priviledged as he and that we should hold him in higher esteem because God had chosen to speak audibly to him. What a farce. What a joke. What a lie. [Name, church and apx date provided on request]

    This is precisely what Beth Moore is doing as she says "God spoke to me" and "He and I are calling..." as Erin provided in bold letters above. With the exception of one, maybe two at the most of people who have made such a claim the level of arrogance and elitism is off the scale. As any "proof" of such an event happening to anyone is totally subjective and unprovable why should I take anyone's word for such an event taking place when Scripture teaches that such a thing is no longer happening? Heb. 1:1-4

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  4. Prepare for an assault by angry Beth Moore followers. My articles exposing Beth Moore's false and/or aberrant teaching get the most comments, and a majority are angry followers calling me names, etc.

    I will be linking to this one later this week with my next "Random Apostasies and Heresies" post.

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    1. Thanks for the link, Glenn - always appreciated!

      Yeah, I know Beth Moore posts don't go over very well. I learned that very early on in my blogging days! It's very revealing of the type of 'Christianity' that is being taught by Beth to hear/see some of the reactions of the Moore-ites.

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  5. This pathway is well worn and by now historical. It began with cautious God laid it on my heart moments, I felt God saying, and so on. The natural progression was to the present day "God told me", which conveys all the ways people say God communicates personally to them, completely contrary to scripture.
    My only question is that since the natural man is idolatrous and sinful, how long will it be before this common "God spoke to me" becomes "God said YOU must do xyz..." on a regular basis.
    Granted, we do have that on a shallow level, since Warrenesque churches and their ilk teach nothing but law without grace, but the God told me fad started out unnoticed for what it was. Much like Pirate Christian Radio's parody " I have a message for Vincent", the visible church will first raise a slight eyebrow, and then jump on the bandwagon.
    Perhaps Ms. Moore will in the future say "God told me to pull into the zoo parking lot, AND he told me to tell you to get out of MY parking space.

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  6. I'm troubled with the language frequently used that "God spoke to me" because it's so abused and people are so credulous to automatically believe it all comes from the Lord. When do I ever hear them "Test the spirits to see if they are from God"?? There's a reason why we are to Test the spirits because there is the genuine and the counterfeit.

    I've had the Lord "speak to me" on rare occasions -but it was more like an impression about a situation in my life and not a voice. When I've had this impression or prompting to do or not to do something it was always in line with God's word. Same thing with the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin and we know this has not ceased.

    "Prophecy is the ability to speak theological truths..or the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God -Propheteia prophecy is not necessarily nor even primarily fore-telling.. It is the declaration of that which CANNOT be known by natural means... When Jesus said to Peter after He said "Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God,...- Jesus said for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in heaven." -an example would be our testimony of when we were saved. This is not Scripture but it lines up with "The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy"~

    "For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church." (1 Corinthians 14:2-4)

    Paul ((encouraged people)) to "prophesy". This is not the same thing as adding to Scripture. There were many who prophesied in the New Testament Church. Paul had written earlier in this epistle, "not to exceed what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6b). Already they had received the true gospel of Christ and the truth from the apostles, plus the already completed Old Testament scriptures.

    I do not believe that God is still giving scripture-level revelation today, or that any prophecy, dream, vision, word of wisdom, word of knowledge or message in tongues would have the authority (or anywhere near it) that scripture has. I agree that Scripture is the all-sufficient revelation of God. Where(I) disagree is whether God gives guidance on details of life directly to the human heart (in addition) to working through the Word."


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  7. I think the problem has been brewing for a long time. We have very few pastors who will study and teach what the Word of God says in context and in a literal fashion. We now have people who would rather do a book study based on someone's personal opinions and they are so biblically illiterate that they wouldn't know when someone is deceiving them.
    There are so many false teachers, I don't know how you manage to keep track of all of them.
    Thanks so much for all you do, Erin. It can't be easy. And it is amazing how mad people get when you touch their idols.
    Pam

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    1. Yes, no one likes it when you touch their sacred cow. I appreciate the encouragement, Pam, more than you know!

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  8. What is really really sad to me is that most of these 'teachers', 'evangelicals' (really not sure what to call them) were truthful when they started out. I wonder, do you think it is pride that makes us people, go astray. Maybe they felt so highly esteemed by people that in order not to lose their popularity they started coming up with these dialogues they have with the Father in order to keep people's attention? Louie Giglio another example. He has turned emergent, WoF, and a little of everything else. Really breaks my heart.

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    1. I agree that being in the spotlight can really be a bad thing for many Christians. It's not easy being popular and handling the power of being humble and being exalted at the same time.

      We know that Jesus said in Mat 23:12 "For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

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    2. It is the accepted norm to call those who teach such foolishness our "brothers/sisters in Christ" but a closer examination reveals rancide fruit and an ego bent on everything that honors themselves and not the Lord Jesus. As we are instructed to "know them by their fruits" and to "judge righteous judgment" it is not correct to consider such as these as 'errant brothers' but what they are by their own words: "FALSE prophets."

      There are many who have been and will continue to deliver the Word of God faithfully, MacArthur, Washer, Lawson, and hundreds of others who are not well known but have been faithful to the Lord and His Word in all of their ministry. And yet some are so eager to lump these heretics into the same bunch and call them saved, but in error. 2 Peter chapter two says otherwise as does i John 2:19; "They went out from us, but THEY WERE NOT OF US, for had they been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST, THAT *****NONE***** OF THEM WERE OF US.

      Can a man of God teach error? Sadly some do, but they do not stay there in the error. It is an insult to the faithful men of God and to the Lord Himself to give such as these discussed here "errant brother in Christ" status. The Book of Jude has a lot to say of these men also.

      Anon, please do not consider this as an attack on you because it is not. It has always been a ploy of the wicked one to give credibility to his minions so as to pull people away from the true God. It is no different here. These men and women have been "in the ministry" for years teaching mostly truth, but now the always present and underlying lies are being revealed. It causes all manner of confusion in the authentic church when real believers see these clowns in their true light. And that is the whole point, confusion. It makes the real believer question what he has been taught over the years. "Have I been wrong all along"; "Have I missed out on the 'real thing'?" "Am I really even saved at all?" "Why doesn't God speak audubly to me?" And so on. It is always my prayer that our Lord will expose evil.

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    3. Thanks, Darrell. That is exactly it! Jesus told the Pharisees that they were children of the devil. We are either one or the other children of God or children of the devil. A child of God could not continue to teach falsly because he is inhabited by the Spirit of God and He would not let it go on. You don't get worse, you get better. They never were OF US. They were professors not possessors.
      That is why doctrine, according to the Scriptures, is so important. It is what we know, according to God's Word, not what we feel. We have to test everything according to the Scriptures. Unfortunately, there is a lack of exegetical teaching in the churches today and people are being deceived because they have no knowledge. Fortunately, we have a sovreign God who has it all under control. None of His sheep will be lost.
      Pam

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    4. A reply to Linda regarding being in the spotlight: I liked your insight as to being popular but humble at the same time and what a tough line that is to tread.

      Your insight reminded me of a verse in Luke. There is such a thing as a curse of popularity. "“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." Luke 6:26. Universal and widespread acclaim is to be looked upon with suspicion. As Barnes Notes says of the Luke verse, "When all men shall speak well of you - When they shall praise or applaud you. The people of the world will not praise or applaud "my" doctrine; they are "opposed" to it, and therefore, if they speak well of "you" and of "your teachings," it is proof that you do not teach the true doctrine."

      Whoever does his duty in delivering the true Word will "encounter" opposition, not acclaim and certainly not popularity. We look to the example of Jesus for that, and then the apostles...

      Thanks for all your comments on this blog on the topic of Passion 2013, I've read them all and enjoyed them

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    5. Elizabeth, you're so right and what a powerful verse because it really does describe many of our teachers currently in the spotlight.
      I have listened to J. Vernon McGee and in one of his sermons he was talking about popularity. How one man was being used greatly by the Lord,,, but when the world caught onto him because they wanted what he had, they made him popular and the Lord no longer used him.

      Most Christians who fall into being popular are caught up in the praises of men which is a snare and a trap. Let's face it we all want to be liked, recognized and spoken well of.. But for the world to like us then we know that "the love of the Father is not in us-the two loves don't coincide with each other. God will no other gods before him.

      the message of the cross is so diametrically opposed to the world and its message.

      I have a tendency to keep my distance from people because I've seen all too well even on blogs favoritism and people even being caught up in certain admins. with their coteries. All this has done is brought a snare in their lives that they cannot and will not speak forth the truth in fear of disappointing the person whom they have grown an affinity towards and they always agree with them even if they know they are in the wrong.. Nope don't like that and so I'm a bit idiosyncratic...

      The "Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe."-Pro 29:25 also we need to be very careful who we make friends with even as Christians-Pro 12:26 "A righteous man is cautious in friendship, but the way of the wicked leads them astray."


      Elizabeth,, thank you so much for your kind words. I give the Lord all the glory and honor for any such comments and pray that they edify and also draw people to Christ. For in HIM-Christ "we live and move and have our being"

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  9. Wow- I guess I'm just one of those loser Christians since God didn't take me on a date to the zoo, nor buy me Starbuck's coffee.

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  10. "It seems reasonable to issue to Ms. Moore the same challenge recently issued here to Kim Walker-Smith of the band Jesus Culture: Prove it. You know, I just had a lunch date with God at Panera Bread (He loves their Frontega Chicken panini, by the way) and He told me that this story is completely fabricated. Don't believe me? Well, it does sound ridiculous, but who is to say that Moore's experience was real and mine was not?"

    umm faith. people who are listening to what Ms. Moore is saying are trying filter what God is speaking into their hearts. it takes faith to believe that God is speaking to oneself. obviously the people who support this cessationist view, simply don't have faith that God (who put on the mute button after the canon of the bible was set). there are so many defiensive insecure christians in this blog. just because you didn't experience the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in your life, doesn't mean that people are trying to say that you are any less of a Christian. but many seem to take it that way when people boldly speak about their relationship with Christ being at an intimacy not understood. maybe I am saying their is a lack of faith in the possibility that God can far exceed our understanding of Him.

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  11. Okay, Steve, so take a look at the scenario I posed that you quoted above. Or let's look at another similar one:

    This morning, while I was making coffee, I looked over and there was Jesus, sitting right at my kitchen table! And He said to me, "Beth Moore, in her book, The Beloved Disciple, is lying. I never said anything to her about 'Sabbath Moments,' nor did I ever prompt her to go with me on a playdate to the zoo. Please, you must tell everyone that Beth Moore is lying about Me!"

    Now, Steve, based upon your own reasoning, you cannot doubt or question my claim. Yet, it contradicts Ms. Moore's. We have a problem, then, don't we?

    Unless Beth Moore can prove that God said these things to her, the true Christian should not take her words at face value. You have the written Word of God available to you - why do you also feel the need to rely on subjective, unprovable experiences such as these? God's Word alone is truth, and you'd do best to turn to it if you truly desire to understand Him.

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    1. Mean-spirit, not Holy-Spirited, is your focus and your ill-reasoning childish logic.
      Can you prove God does not speak??

      Now, EBenz, this morning I was reading my Bible, and read these words:

      Matthew 12:36
      "But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."

      and Jesus said to me, "I want EBenz to have a chance to repent, send this to her, and warn her to stop trash-talking people that I love that actaully serve Me."

      Those, there, words was spoke by Jesus Hisself. Perhaps you should cease your ridiculous game-playing pot-shots at people who are IN CHRIST, and consider the seriousness of the offense you WILL be charged with when you are commanded to kneel before Jesus.

      Now, EBenz, based on your own reasoning, you cannot doubt or question OR DISPROVE my claim, yet it contradicts your statements. We have a problem, then, don't we?? Or, I should say...YOU have a problem, then, don't you? Stop your foolishness.

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    2. "stop trash-talking people that I love that actaully (sic) serve Me."

      I do not doubt Ms. Moore's sincerity. However, a person can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. Beth Moore is a demonstrated Bible-twister (see here). She claims special revelations and visions from God, as well as hints at the teaching of positive confession (see here). She has claimed that Jesus Christ personally gave her a vision of the Church "as He sees it" (see the previous link). Unfortunately, this vision of the Church as Jesus supposedly sees it includes the apostate Roman Catholic Church—a group which teaches a gospel contrary to salvation as taught in Scripture. In fact, the RCC has condemned at the Council of Trent the doctrine of justification by faith alone. How is it that Jesus Christ would contradict His own Word and suddenly declare that an abominable religion would be included as part of the true Body of Christ?

      But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)

      My intention here is not to "trash-talk" (and no "trash-talking" has taken place) but to point people to the truth of Scripture, and to urge those same people to test all things against that unwavering Word of God. To call out error is not unloving. In fact, all Christians are commanded to 'test the spirits' and to 'contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.'

      At this point, we have to revisit your statement that Moore is serving Christ and that I should thus cease to "trash-talk" her. To twist God's Word and to teach contrary to that Word is to serve as an enemy of that Word, even if in ignorance and even if in sincere ignorance.

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  12. I did not get the impression that Beth Moore was claiming to have some extra-biblical knowledge of "thus sayeth the LORD" type that was worthy of adding a chapter onto the Bible. She was relating an experience in prayer of feeling God wanted her to take time to just be with Him. She called them Sabbath moments. Big deal. When by God's grace I see evidence of Him in the midst of my day, I call them "God winks". You will not find "God winks" in Scripture but you will repeatedly find evidence of His presence in people's lives in Scripture. I doubt God cares that I call them "God winks".

    The example Beth gave was after an emotionally draining visit to a sick friend, she impulsively drove to the zoo and had a restorative time of appreciation of God's creation, very aware of His presence and was grateful for a fun coffee drink too. God inhabits the praises of His people and is always with us. I may not like her verbiage of God told me this or that but there is nothing unbiblical about resting in the presence of God. THAT was what she was trying to communicate to her readers. Take time to be still with God and enjoy Him. Very biblical.

    We are called to pray and to expect God to answer. I didn't see anything in what Beth related in encouraging people to take a break and simply enjoy God's creation with Him that warranted breaking out the torches and pitchforks. Some of you sound like the angry Pharisees freaking over Jesus' disciples breaking off wheat heads on the sabbath. We can't put God in a rigid box. There is nothing heretical in encouraging others to take time to refresh and renew by spending time in the presence of the Lord.

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    1. Anonymous I do understand where you are coming from and I'm not a cessationist neither...

      However, God's word is SOLID OBJECTIVE TRUTH-our experiences are NOT...

      According to Beth Moore, the poor apostle Paul couldn't have Sabbath with the Lord since he couldn't escape to go to a zoo when he was sitting in jail.. How did Paul respond to such draining circumstances in his life? The word of GOD -the unchanging word of God and his unchanging Character.

      I find it very weak and tenuous to compare going to a zoo to find peace and rest -Sabbath- as your answer when GOD IS our Peace and HE is our Sabbath right where we ARE-no matter what our circumstances are.

      Why couldn't Mrs. Moore find REST IN God while she was ministering to the person in the hospital? Christ should have been her JOY and REST right then and there when she was serving the person as she was serving Christ. If you're not going to know God's joy and rest while ministering, what makes one think they will find it outside somewhere in the zoo or a latte'? Are we to reduce GOD to only finding rest in him to only enjoyable circumstances and situations? God is much MUCH bigger than this.

      What changed for Mrs. Moore? Only her outer circumstances did. God didn't change. She's leading people to go and do things to find some kind of REST outside of Christ. Jesus is still the SAME yesterday, today and forever". If one cannot grow up and learn the true joy, peace and rest we already have in Christ in the midst of the circumstances, then what makes one think they will find rest outside of the problems, pressures and hardships that God permits on a daily basis?

      In Psalm 23:5 David said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -"Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over."
      Why in the world does God prepare a table in the midst of our enemies of all places? Why in the world does God prepare a table in the midst of our hardships`

      "The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but righteousness, peace and joy (IN) the Holy Spirit",,_Romans 14:17..

      and NO there's nothing wrong with taking an intermission, a hiatus, a vacation. God is not some kind of killjoy. He made beautiful mountains for us to enjoy and latte's to enjoy etc but this is not where our true Sabbath is. It's in JESUS no matter what!

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  13. I so agree with anonymous, a lot of posts here about nothing of substance. Have you memorized Scripture with her in her Bible Studies,? She is so strong on that aspect of the Christian walk, and not just memorizing......walking it and living it every day. If we have His Word in our minds and hearts, we can live it and share it as He wants us to. And comparing some of these posts to the Pharisees in the Bible is not a far stretch. Taking the small things to find fault and not seeing this whole Christian , her whole ministry for who she is.Teaching salvation Thru Christ alone and His saving love. I totally enjoy her studies, I do not think she is "all of that" as some here say that she comes off as. She is sincere, and when you speak out anytime,anything, anywhere, people will always find fault. "Sometimes we see the splinter in our neighbors eye, when we have a log in our own".

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  14. Anonymous 1/19,
    I challenge you to come over to my blog if you want to see "substance" about Beth Moore's false teachings. That is the problem with false teachers - they have enough good stuff so as to deceive people like you into following them. But Moore is not at all trustworthy with her teachings. She over and over again claims direct revelation from God for her teachings, and yet we know that can't be true because what she teaches with those claims do not align with the word of God we have in Scripture. Moore continually twists Scripture totally out of context to make many points, and that is a horrid way to teach Bible study.

    No one doubts Moore's faith. But no one should be given a pass on their false teachings just because they are popular and make you feel good.

    To compare any of these comments is indeed a very far stretch. Who were the real Pharisees and why did Jesus condemn them? They were false teachers, they added rules of their own to judge what was or was not holy, they were hypocrites, they refused correction, they pushed the letter of the law rather than its spirit, they nullified the law by only applying it outwardly, they showed disdain for the unsaved, they preached salvation through works, they claimed their detractors were working against God, they were seeking signs and wonders, and they promoted tradition over Scripture. None of the comments above match any of this, yet many of these items fit well with Beth Moore as well as her followers.

    Beth Moore may be sincere, but her teachings are too often sincerely wrong. Christians are called to be discerning and expose false teachings. Perhaps you need just a wee bit more discernment when studying Beth Moore. Perhaps you should study more Bible and less Moore!

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  15. -Isa 66:5 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed."

    -Psalm 42:3 "My tears have been my food day and night, while men say to me all day long, "Where is your God?""((If your law)) had not been my delight I would have perished in my affliction."

    ~We don't need anymore Gnostic teachings from Beth Moore.. I Can't seem to find in the word of God that Jesus actually met with Beth Moore at the zoo.

    Although we do have subjective experiences, they should (never) be relied upon nor placed on equal par with God's word. God's word should always be our JOY and never our experiences even though they are sweet. There's no external checks or balances to measure Mrs. Moore's subjective experiences -only those which her inner spirit appropriates as progress in her personal revelation. She is being allowed by all who follow her to give her 'Spoken Words' of experiences with "Jesus" equality with Scripture.

    Job when stripped of everything, found himself with nothing and (no) pleasant experiences to be thankful (for) or to run to. He couldn't find any comfort any relief -- but God himself, and came to the realization that God ALONE is enough to be thankful for always!

    Deu 13:3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

    Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

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    Psa 1:1 ¶ Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

    Psa 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

    Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

    Psa 1:4 The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

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  16. Here are a few words, that Jesus Himself spoke (unless of course, John The Beloved Disciple and Revelator is also a false teacher in your self-esteemed estimation, sorry I had to poke a little fun at you in light of the ridiculousness of your stand that Christ/God/Holy Spirit isn't speaking): This is what Jesus said:

    2.Revelation 2:7
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
    Revelation 2:6-8
    3.Revelation 2:11
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.
    Revelation 2:10-12 (in Context)
    4.Revelation 2:17
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.
    Revelation 2:16-18 (in Context)
    5.Revelation 2:29
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
    Revelation 2:28-29 (in Context)
    6.Revelation 3:6
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
    Revelation 3:5-7
    7.Revelation 3:13
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
    Revelation 3:12-14 (in Context)
    8.Revelation 3:22
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

    And:

    15.Matthew 11:15
    Whoever has ears, let them hear.
    Matthew 11:14-16 (in Context)
    16.Matthew 13:9
    Whoever has ears, let them hear.”
    Matthew 13:8-10 (in Context)
    Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
    Matthew 13:42-44 (in Context)
    18.Mark 4:9
    Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
    Mark 4:8-10 (in Context)
    19.Mark 4:23
    If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.”
    Mark 4:22-24 (in Context)
    20.Luke 8:8
    Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up and yielded a crop, a hundred times more than was sown.”When he said this, he called out, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
    Luke 8:7-9
    21.Luke 14:35
    It is fit neither for the Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up and yielded a crop, a hundred times more than was sown.”When he said this, he called out, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

    So, here is the issue: Jesus is specifically saying: HEAR, as in your ears. Check it out, and check the original languages, also.

    The issue is not that "hearing the LORD" is heresy or false teaching or false revelation or any of these things that you and other bloggers make loud noises about publicly, the issue is: YOU DO NOT HEAR BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EAR TO HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS. You are led by a dogged-philosophy that seems to speak of a dead Christ Who does not live and communicate with His followers. He spoke then,to His followers, He speaks today. He is the same, today. Hebrews 13:8
    What The Spirit of God is speaking, to you right now EBenz, is REPENT. Fall on your knees and ask forgiveness for the public idolatry of self that you are so invested in. If YOU truly are a Christian, you besmirch your brothers and sisters, while you are deaf and blind and spiritually dead. You are in great disobedience and defilement.
    Let he who has an ear, hear.

    Issachar

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    1. Issachar,

      It's wonderful that you've provided all of these verses—the search engine at Bible Gateway does a great job of locating verses with a particular word, doesn't it? Indeed, Scripture indicates many times over, "he who has ears, let him hear..."

      Did you examine the context of the verses you've provided? Jesus declares, "He who has ears, let him hear," and then goes on to state what it is the Christian is to understand. What the Christian is to 'hear' is already written and stated for us in the Word of God! How wonderful! We do not have to guess or wonder if that voice in our head is God, we can open the Bible and read what it is He has to say to us! In these verses, Christ is calling for the listener (at the time He was speaking) and the reader of the Scripture today, to hear, understand and heed His words—words that are there for us in black and white (or red and white depending upon your Bible).

      When I open my Bible, I 'hear' the Lord very clearly. I understand that He has spoken finally through the full revelation of His Son, Jesus Christ (Heb. 1:1,2). I 'hear' that Scripture, the written Word graciously provided by God, is sufficient for matters of spiritual growth (2 Tim. 3:16, 17). And I 'hear' that there will be many false teachers in the world (1 John 4:1), whose purpose is to deceive by twisting God's Word and teaching their own cleverly devised myths.

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    2. Erin,
      "Issachar" has also done this at my blog - take Scripture out of context so as to "prove" me in error. I responded to his first couple complaints, but another he posted today was deleted, as all future from him will be because of his lack of understanding, his desire to mock, his desire to speak for God, and of course his demand that we repent of exposing false teachings from Christians.

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    3. Good to know, Glenn, thank you. I'll not hesitate to hit 'delete' next time.

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  17. I came to this website because I thought I was going to learn something new and positive about scripture and the body of Christ. I've been looking over this website and it appears to me that you believe that prophecy and revelation, ended with Paul's generation, and that God the Holy Spirit no longer speaks to believers. It also appears that you believe that the death and resurrection of Christ brings forgiveness of sin, but not redemption and an abundant life. there is so much sarcasm and unkindness, in the comments,-- condemning phrases like "Sabbath moment" and others that were clearly meant as metaphor. This website sounds more like the Pharisees than you realize. Jesus' criticism of the Pharisees was that they were careful to observe the minutia of the law such as tithing mint and cumin, but neglected the weightier things such as justice and mercy. With the same tongue you bless God and the Bible,and then slander those whom God created.

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    1. I believe that God speaks to us today in His Word. Those who claim special revelation beyond what is provided in Scripture have a great burden of proof to bear. If what they have 'heard' can be found in Scripture, then why can we not turn to the Word to receive the instruction? If what they have 'heard' cannot be found in Scripture, then neither can it contradict the Word of God. It has been clearly demonstrated in other posts that Ms. Moore has claimed special revelation that directly contradicts the Word of God (i.e., that the apostate Roman Catholic Church is part of the true Body of Christ). Even if Jesus were to speak audibly to a person today, we can be confident that He would never contradict what He has spoken in His Word. We know that the RCC teaches a false gospel, and we know that whoever teaches a false gospel is to be anathema (Gal. 1:8–9).

      No slander has taken place here. Rather, it is a call to test the teachings of a person, weighing them against the only measure of truth, the Bible.

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    2. Okay, since any new comments on this post technically will be violating the comment policy, I think it's time to close comments. You'll have to use the 'Contact' form at the top of the page to send any additional hate mail and/or insincere calls to repentance.

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