20 August 2012

No Compromise Ever: Episode 1

No Co Ever: Episode 1 from No Compromise Radio on Vimeo.

26 comments:

  1. WOW!! Thank you, Ebenz! The next time I have a good case of the "Elijah Syndrome" I can remember that there are these and many others like them who stand for the truth.

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  2. Thanks so much for posting this, Ebenz. I have been eagerly awaiting it. In watching this video, first I think how much I wish any of these men were my pastor, and then second, just how foolish and destructive MacDonald and Company are to the church. It is just unbelievable that MacDonald is out peddling his new book on how to "do church". I'm sure he will see this video. I can only pray that he will come to his senses and repent for the damage he has done and is doing.

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  3. Amen!!!! My prayer is one of thanksgiving that the Lord has given the church these leaders, and others who stand with them, who are passionate about sound doctrine and authentic Christianity.

    This video is so refreshing and encouraging. There is transparency, humility and frankness here, all done with a mature thoughtfulness. No ad hominem or grandstanding.

    I'm very grateful for their courage to confront the shortcomings of the Elephant Room. I’m looking forward to the other videos in this series. May these men continue to “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints”. Carol

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    1. Carol, That's one thing that stands out to me also with these mature godly men. No Ad hominens, no straw-men arguments just straight to the facts and the truth -exposing the error. No sugarcoating anything and being circuitous with the definition of the trinity. No soft-balling just straight clear and concise answers according to Scripture.

      I also loved how James White was so passionate about the Trinity. I'd like for all Christians to be. I'm not sure why he thought he had to apologize but well GO FOR IT JAMES-buyah!!!I loved how James pointed out that the trinity is the very fabric the very gospel and all that we believe. It is true genuine Christianity. It's all throughout Scripture. If you take away the Trinity and just call it what you like with different modes then you've essentially taken away God intervening humanity and their relationship together as God the Father with God the Son and the Holy Spirit in eternity before Christ was ever born. It undermines our communion the only true communion when we pray. We have an advocate who speaks to the Father on our behalf Jesus Christ the righteous one". I could never accept such a damnable heresy as modalism.

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  4. Just downloaded to watch, but couldn’t manage to get past the first three or so minutes because of this statement from Pastor Abendroth, ““What is a ‘Kook and a Barney’? Well, Kooks and Barneys are people who try to surf with experts. And they’ll try to paddle in out in the water and they just get in the way of the surfers. And they are known by the locals as ‘Kooks and Barneys’. They’re in over their head; they’re playing in the deep water.”

    Using the surfing analogy, Pastor Abendroth is setting up himself and the other three men as ‘experts’; all other ‘surfers’ who aren’t as qualified should stay out of the way because they are ‘over their heads playing in deep water.’

    How elitist and un-Christ-like! Why would I even care to listen to what else is said after that comment? It's very sad because I'm sure these men have valuable discernment to share with their listeners but their arrogance overshadows anything they present.

    “For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.” Rom. 12:3

    ~Yvonne

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    1. Ynonne, Rather than trying to set up this group of men as some sort of special and elite panel, Pastor Abendroth was instead refering to the likes of T D Jakes, Mc Donald and others of the ER 2 who were in clear violation of Scripture and teaching or allowing to pass as truth Jakes' heretical view of the Triune God. This will become more clear the further you go into the discussion. The "surfers" being analagous to all believers (not just these four men) and the Kooks and Barneys meaning any and all who would substitute error for truth. Hope this helps and you will find the time to listen to all of the clip-it is very enlightening and encouraging.


      Linda BUYAH? love it!!!

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  5. Yvonne,

    I believe that if you'll watch the remainder of the program, you'll see that Mike Abendroth's "Kooks and Barneys" illusion wasn't an implied comparison of the ER2 crew to himself and his fellow panelists, but instead to the Church Fathers and Reformers, whose often blood bought explanations and defences of the Gospel and Christian doctrine were implicitely marginalized by MacDonald's and Driscolls inclusion and non-confrontational treatment of TD Jakes and his doctrinal errors.

    There were no ad-hominem attacks on MacDonald or Driscoll, but instead, straight, no nonsense and biblical criticism of the Elephant Room. Give it another try and see.

    Chris Trees

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    1. Darrel and Chris Trees,

      I have listened to the entire video and to the 'award' portion more than twice. I'm sticking with my initial understanding which is that Pastor Abendroth is using the 'Kooks and Barney's' surfing analogy to set up an expert/amateur scenario with his panel as the 'experts' and those who planned the Elephant Room as the 'amateurs'.

      You may want to give them the benefit of the doubt, which is commendable, but I've seen it too many times. No doubt these men have a strong understanding of theology, Church history and the problems with TD Jakes' modalism. I'm not quibbling with that. I simply see this as another example of an elitist attitude that comes across from some of today's Christian leaders. There is no room for this in the Church of Jesus Christ!

      Yours, in Christ Jesus,
      ~Yvonne

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    2. Yvonne I hope you don't mind me responding to you. But this is a very near and dear truth to my heart.

      I understand what you're saying and you do bring up a very important point. I've come across many people who have an elitest conceited type air about them. I'm not belittling this-(it is a problem. However, have you ever thought that we can only be responsible for ourselves to God with our attitude and not let how others react and how they are define our lives? We can't look to others with the expectation that they will meet our standards. It's just impossible. We can ONLY look to Christ and how he treats us. If we don't we will become upset with people easily. Only Jesus treats us like no one can and we should not expect othes to do this. It's just not right.

      I've had to deal with very unloving people and asked God to take them away-He did NOT. But when I finally bowed before a Holy God and asked him to show me my own wicked heart,, guess what??? HE has shown me that the very same hurtful way these people are with me,,,( IIII) have have been to Jesus Christ. Do you know what that does and just how broken that makes me? I'm ASHAMED and humbled and repent that I have so hurt my Lord Jesus. Whenever you or I find ourselves provoked you know what,,, It's GOD trying to put his finger on US and teach us something not them.

      There's only ONE righteousness that we must seek to PLEASE with all our hearts. Yes on a horizontal level we may be better than others in how we treat them and their attitude just stinks. But we are NOT any better when it comes to measuring ourselves vertically to the righteousness and holiness of Christ. Jesus is our standard and we ourselves become the very one whom we claim others are but not ourselves with Christ if we seek to please SELF…

      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they will be FILLED".. The whole point of this precious truth in Matthew 5:6 is that whenever someone (anyone) wrongs us, we no longer are looking to "justify ourself" from our own viewpoint anymore because JESUS satisfies you/me with HIS righteousness. He creates in us this hunger and thirst for HIS righteousness that so fully satiates our hearts that just about NOTHING can provoke us.. If we are impatient with the faults and failures of other people, it's really because we are an unloving person (this is NOT to say they aren't in the wrong). This IS to give the problem over to GOD and learn to love them and pray for them. So WE are to be filled with God's love. You will know if a person is filled with love because almost nothing will provoke him. Let CHRIST fully satisify you with His righteousness


      Sincerely in the love of Christ, Linda

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  6. "It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools." ~ Ecclesiastes 7:5

    Things are in opposite at Harvest Bible Chapel. Nor only they hear the song of fools, they dance to it. These men in a video belong to the Gospel one will do well listen to this rebuke of dancing elephants.

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  7. Absolutely brilliant comment by Carl Trueman about TD Jakes the "star" of The Elephant Room, and MacDonald's prized and appreciated guest and friend @ 24:18

    "This man has nothing to say and he gets paid millions for saying it."

    Is this not a perfect and insightful epitaph for these crazy times we live in?
    What say you?

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    1. I totally agree Despeville about the aphorism..---talking about TD Jakes-"This man has nothing to say and he gets paid millions for saying it."

      and the analogy--
      Despeville said-"The "surfers" being analagous to all believers (not just these four men) and the Kooks and Barneys meaning any and all who would substitute error for truth."

      And think about it, Jesus said some things that were harsh. That if we're not careful we can think he was out of line..


      Take Matthew 15:23-27 when Jesus was talking to a Canaanite woman:

      Mat 15:25 The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." -

      Sounds pretty rude huh. But it was not..



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    2. Right Linda, so right. The words of Jesus from Matthew 23:33 for example. By today's standard (or rather lack of thereof)they are so unloving and so closed minded and so harsh. I mean Jesus would not get much of following in those mega churches and He in fact does not.

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  8. I'm glad they god the "middle-aged white Reformed guys" business out of the way early. Thus relieved, I felt like I could then move forward and enjoy the rest of the discussion.

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  9. I think the Only thing that concerns me with some of these men is the lack of knowing who some of these people are and the dangers that they present.. Can't remember his name right off(the guy with the dimples)(I apologize his name slips me and my video didn't work this morning)--- he didn't know who Mr Loritts was. Or maybe he did and it just didn't register. I don't expect us to know everyone. But I would think that someone such as Mr Loritts would be pretty well known among the Church.

    Discernment ministries tend to know more about wolves more than some of these Pastors. I know they have a full load but this is where the gifts that they don't have are administrated by those who do have such gifts so that they can inform the pastors and teachers of churches of the current dangers that face us. Especially with people who have been embraced in the past and now are bringing in aberrant teachings such as Beth Moore or Tim Keller.

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  10. Linda, I think you bring up a good point here: to what extent should there be a standard or requirement for those making discernment pronouncements to have some sort of "entry-level" familiarity with the major players involved in such guffaws? Carl Trueman (our dimpled friend) has made some less-than-complimentary statements about discernment ministries and those who feel called to that field. He has also made comments that reflect a sort of pride in his unfamiliarity with those outside his Westminster/OPC sphere of influence -- you know, "just a churchman," and all that. Can we then argue that those predispositions make him less qualified to fly in to Boston for a weekend of discernment chat? That is a good question -- if I'm not spinning something out of your comment that wasn't actually there.

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    1. S M-G,
      Can you give us the resources for where Carl Trueman has made statements about discernment ministries and his unfamiliarity with those outside his Westminster/OPC sphere of influence?

      Thank you.


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  11. why couldn't this ER2 have been prevented? What about the Gospel Coalition? Take Tim Keller who is a co-founder of the Gospel coalition and who is espousing mysticism. Why do we not have Pastors speaking out about him NOW before this is too late. He's right in their back yards ~~

    Sergius ~My concern is this: We have Discernment ministries and faithful Christians who DO sound the alarm to be on your guard-Acts 20:28-31 just like Paul said we should being good Bereans and yet Pastors are NOT doing anything UNTIL it reaches such a crescendo-which by then it's too late.

    Why? well I'm finding that the attitude of many pastors is that it doesn't affect me and my congregation since these things are happening in another country or "happen thousands of miles away, among people I will never meet." And so they don't even know (who) some of these wolves are and they don't care. We have Pastors saying-"we should focus on what is good and not on what is evil" and that there is an unhealthy balance with discernment blogs. I can agree to a point. But the same goes with them as well.. There's an unhealthy balance in that all they wanna do is focus on the good while the reality is we have wolves that are encroaching and intruding our Churches while they blithely focus on their provincial congregation. The CHURCH is not JUST those people in your building. The CHURCH is comprised of ALL who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit around the WORLD. Paul warned us to "Watch out" -Rom. 16:17,

    discernment ministries are get a bad rap for being watchmen on the wall and using their God-given gift of discernment. Many of these Pastors whom I do love and respect are NOT listening until it's too late. I'm seeing a bit of a cavalier attitude arising even among well respected Pastors...


    I found this on cripplegate which is apt --“And concerning you, my brethren, I myself also am convinced that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able also to admonish one another.”-Romans 15:14

    we lack admonishing one another~

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  12. Linda, there are some pastor/bloggers who are speaking out against Tim Keller. The Bayly Brothers, with whom I have huge problems in many areas, have been hammering Keller for years on their blog. I share some of their concerns about Keller, though I have many concerns about the Baylys I won't get into here.

    I think you're right about the pastors out in the field being reluctant to say anything, and I think you and others are on target concerning the reason for that reluctance.

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  13. @Anonymous:

    For example, in an interview with Tim Challies and David Murray on their "Connected Kingdom" podcast, Trueman said,

    “Trouble tends to find me in my own church and denomination. So I by and large these days don’t look too far outside of my own denomination or institution for fights to get into; I have plenty coming my way anyway. So I’m unlikely to engage myself directly with this. As I said, if somebody in my congregation was reading it and being influenced by it I would have to address it. Other than that I have more pressing concerns. My congregation has got people who have lost their jobs struggling to find health insurance. I have more important things to do than to engage in what appears to be self-publicising emergent types out there.”

    Still looking for some of the other quotes, but that should get you started.

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    1. I do agree and consider that he probably has a full plate and we can only do so much. If I were a Pastor, I'd probably find out real quickly how much work is involved and appreciate them more..

      I know for me, I make pizzas and it's a very fast paced job when you also have to answer the phones by the 3rd ring, get them cut, boxed etc. I've had to deal with a few ornery people who actually believe that there's nothing to it and why is it taking so long when we get swamped with a plethora of orders and only have a paucity of workers. I've actually had a handful of people who even thought 15 minutes was unreasonable and why not 5min? Well it takes 5 minutes to cook through the oven (alone)
      **sigh***, if they only worked for a week in my shoes(then)they would appreciate it and not get in such a tiff over such things

      I'm not saying it's okay to have an arrogant indifferent attitude and this is what I believe I'm (hearing). We should never take for granted but learn to appreciate what others do and admit we just can't do it all and always stress the importance of it according to Scripture

      we always need to pray for our pastors

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    2. Where are you makin' those pizzas, Linda? Aren't you down in Dothan?

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    3. Regarding Carl Trueman's statements... I only wish I had a pastor like him who cared about me personally. My pastor doesn't even know me and isn't even at church these days. He's off on a book tour, selling t-shirts, and telling others how to "do church". If I lost my job and was struggling to find health insurance for my family, he would not even know it and I doubt he would care.

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  14. I have no doubt that CT is a terrific pastor, Anonymous. If I were still living near Philadelphia, I would certainly check out his congregation. Regarding your situation, might it be time to look for a new church?

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    1. Well, I don't know if he is a terrific pastor but he at least "pastors" his flock. That is what is so piercing to my heart. I wish I could visit his church but I am no where near Philadelphia. And I agree with you .... our family is looking for a new church. Tired of all the elephant poop.

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  15. Sergius, @ Papa Johns.. Yes I'm from Dothan, Al.. "Let us go to Dothan"-Genesis 37:17

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