14 April 2012

Steven Furtick Twists Scripture, Claims to Hear from God at Presence 2012

Those living in Sydney, Australia may have noticed a "fresh anointing, enlarged vision, and amazing empowerment" as Presence 2012 spent 4 days claiming to usher in these vague phenomena this week. In Steven Furtick and the Presence 2012 Conference, it was noted that this event was sponsored by C3 Church and its pastor, Phil Pringle. The powers behind the conference describe its purpose as follows:
We believe that as we gather together at Presence the heavens will be opened over your life and you will experience a greater outpouring of his anointing, blessing, vision and miracles. (Online Source)

The above-mentioned article further explained the Word Faith teachings of the various speakers at Presence 2012, including Phil and Chris Pringle, Kong Hee and John Bevere. That post then noted the following:
Knowing all of this, then, what ought one think of Steven Furtick's involvement in Presence 2012? Furtick has been lovingly embraced by leaders such as James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll. Yet, he has done little to hide his desire to grow his skills and influence among the Word Faith crowd. Furtick has lauded the work of infamous Word Faith teachers T.D. Jakes and Joyce Meyer. Many of Furtick's own sermons either hint at or in some instances, blatantly promote dangerous Word Faith teachings. His special invitation to speak at Presence 2012, then, ought not surprise. However, it still should elicit concern. With its language of a "fresh anointing," and "vision and miracles," Presence 2012 appears to go beyond the familiar Word Faith teachings of "health and wealth," and into the realm of signs, wonders and manifestations.  
So, just what did Steven Furtick preach at Presence 2012? The video below shares a few minutes of the conference on Thursday night, 12 April. (Additional videos of this event can be viewed at the YouTube channel for C3ChurchWatch). At this time, Steven Furtick was asked to preach prior to the offering. In doing so, he chose to share from 2 Kings 4. Contrasting the story of the poor widow in 2 Kings 4:1-7, with the story immediately following of the Shunammite woman, Furtick preached that those who don't have much to give (like the widow), ought to offer what they do have so that God may give them what they need. Conversely, those who may have much, but who want or need something that money cannot buy (just like the Shunammite woman desired a son), ought to give accordingly. Furtick teaches that "all you have is all God needs" to "set something in motion in your life." Says Furtick at around the 9:20 mark, "Put what you have and let God do what you need. Make room for God tonight in this offering to bring something into your life that you need." Ought one expect, then, that by not placing a check in the offering, God will refuse, or be unable, to work His will in one's life?


Of course, every offering ought to be made with an element of faith and obedience, but these words indicate that one must give in order to "make room" or to enable God to do His work in one's life. In this brief teaching, Steven Furtick erroneously taught a decidedly descriptive, historical passage of Scripture as prescriptive. This demonstrates a poor understanding of the biblical text both in content and intent.

Perhaps even more disturbing, however, are the multiple instances within this short teaching that Steven Furtick claims to have received direct revelation from God. The reader is encouraged to view the video again, and note the following:
  • At 2:48, Furtick says to the leaders of C3, "The Lord told me to give you $7,000 for your Brooklyn church."
  • At 6:04 , he states that, following this offering, the great things of which he had spoken "are gonna happen for somebody" due to that person's obedience that night. Really? How does Steven Furtick know this?
  • At 8:44, Furtick begins his next few statements by declaring that, "Somebody needed to hear me say..." Again, how is he aware of this? Who is telling him these things so definitively?
  • Finally, at approximately 9:50, Steven Furtick begins to describe how he and his wife had saved up a $5,000 emergency fund early in their marriage. Says Furtick, "God told me to give it," and so he wrote five $1,000 checks. He continues, "As soon as I had written the last one, God said, 'I will never allow you to lack for anything you need to do My will if you keep your hands open to Me in this way.'" 
Within a brief, 11 minute message, then, Steven Furtick claimed at least four times to have heard directly from God. He does not share how he came to receive this special knowledge. Was it an audible voice, handwriting on the wall, or something less ostentatious? The danger here lies in the claims themselves. If Steven Furtick is not hearing audibly from God, then he quickly needs to correct his dangerous language. If he is hearing voices, then he ought to be more specific and clear about that as well. As it is, this short message could easily have led one to believe that giving enough money that night at Presence 2012 may finally allow God to speak to that one just as Steven Furtick claimed that God has spoken to him. 

In 11 short minutes, Steven Furtick was able to not only misuse, abuse and contort Scripture, but he also managed to mislead thousands of conference attendees as to the manner in which God works in their lives. He succeeded in teaching these thousands that God can work much more effectively if they would only give their money to the Presence 2012 offering. Undoubtedly, Furtick convinced many that placing a sum of money in the offering plate would finally allow them to hear from God so that they, too, could claim that "God told me."

Well, God spoke to this writer today as well. God spoke and declared that teachings such as Furtick's are exactly what people have requested, and God has graciously complied:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

SEE ALSO:
Steven Furtick and the Presence 2012 Conference
Steven Furtick is Lookin' for the Favor
"We Can Work It Out:" Is Steven Furtick Qualified to Have this Conversation?
God Gives Ken Silva a Word for Seeker Driven / Attractional Pastors (Apprising Ministries)

16 comments:

  1. Good job highlighting the danger in claiming to hear directly from God. Personally I hear God through His Son in these days (Hebrews 1:2).

    I would also like to point out, if I may, the egregious abandonment of scripture in this part of the transcription- "Steven Furtick begins to describe how he and his wife had saved up a $5,000 emergency fund early in their marriage. Says Furtick, "God told me to give it," and so he wrote five $1,000 checks. Scripture says in Matthew 6:3-4,

    "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

    Promoting and proclaiming a person's giving, the nature of it and the amounts, down to such detail in front of large audiences *and* being filmed, is pretty gross departure from the above if you ask me.

    Many of these false pastors and teachers focus on giving and tithing and money to such an extent, money being such an integral part of their message, that the verses 1 Tim. 3:3; Titus 1:7 and 1 Peter 5:2 come immediately to mind

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    1. Yes, Elizabeth, thank you for making this additional point!

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    2. Through your steady chronicling of the massive departure from standard and normative evangelical Christianity, I am increasingly dismayed by the preachers/pastors who claim to hear directly from God. It's like a plague now. Started with a trickle, and now it's a flood. Worse, are the Christians who accept this as a normal Christian experience, a subjective, experiential one that can't be substantiated by the Word. Keep up the good work.

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  2. http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/criticise-elisha-or-c3-church-youll-sever-the-spirit-of-god-over-your-family-2/

    Phil Pringle (head of the C3 movement who put on this conference) actually gave a sermon called 'Make Room For God'. We've questioned if Pringle actually has actually been teaching Furtick what to say or do for this kind of message.

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  3. I do not agree with everything Furtick says--this is just in response to this one comment about saying the God cannot speak to His servants today. There is a great divide between those who believe Jesus is the same today as He was back then with those who limit our God and pretend that by doing so, they are holier or better or purer or more humble. Poppycock! Those who have written off the miracles of God and the gifts of the same Holy Spirit as being just for those days, have lost out for themselves much of what the Lord has given in the New Covenant--namely His Spirit poured out on all flesh. I would not want to be a pastor or teacher who bows before the Lord on that day and winds up trying to tell God why Jesus or the Spirit could not possibly speak to modern day believers. Those who have written off the working of the gifts of the Spirit have lost a tremendous reward and will have lots of explaining to do (in my opinion). Sure we have to test the Spirit to make sure what we are hearing is accurate...didnt Jesus say, we sheep hear my voice and they follow me?

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  4. "I would not want to be a pastor or teacher who bows before the Lord on that day and winds up trying to tell God why Jesus or the Spirit could not possibly speak to modern day believers." Jesus does speak to modern day believers, through His Word, crystal clearly, thank you very much and many professors of the faith have a very difficult time with getting that correct and obeying it, let alone any extra-biblical revelations which don’t even line up with what the Bible actually says. Jesus has been speaking through his Word for a very long time you know nand He still is. People claim to hear all sorts of weird and wonderful things outside of what Scripture says, including the so called audible voice of God, God spoke to my heart, God showed me this, God showed me that, God said this, God said that, God me told me this, God told me that, I had a dream, I had a vision, etc., etc., all totally unverifiable. This sort of false teaching has been going on since the inception of the Church, which Jesus Christ said He would build. You can follow the leaven of those people, I’m not. I would not want to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing or false teacher who bows before the LORD on that day and winds up trying to tell God why they twisted His Word constantly and and taught such falsehood and deceived oh so may people.

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  5. "Sure we have to test the Spirit to make sure what we are hearing is accurate...didnt Jesus say, we sheep hear my voice and they follow me?"

    Surely, Arnie, you have not thought this statement through, but merely repeated what someone else has said. To test the Spirit, ie, the Holy Spirit is not just the sin of unbelief, it is also pushing blasphemy to the brink. Where did you get the authority to "thst the Spirit"? Not from the Word. Perhaps from some voice that you listen to, but not the Word. Hopefully, you meant to "test the spirits" as found in I John 4:1-3 and we can chalk up your statement to a type-o. This is doubtful, however, considering the rest of your last sentence. The verse that was misquoted is from John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." Jesus is speaking to unbelieving Jews, not believers (V. 22-26) and there is nothing to indicate that He is refering to His audible voice. He is refering to the evidence of a true believer as being obedience to His commands, not the hearing of His audible voice. The key phrase in V. 27 is "I know them", does He know you?

    As for the fact that the sign gifts have ceased about 1900 years ago why do you require a sign today? How many times did Jesus say that it is a wicked and adulterous generation that seeks after a sign? Is salvation granted by the Lord to one who possesses a "sign gift"? Is salvation granted by the Lord to one who witnesses a "sign gift"? NO! Salvation is by grace through faith! It is based upon belief-----ONLY! For those who have believed is their continued walk with the Lord based upon faith-alone-or shall we now required the Lord to speak to us audibly in order to validate our salvation? If His audible voice is what you require to make your salvation sure, then you have no need of faith. Nor is there further need for the Word of God because "faith comes by hearing, and HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD! Or does your bible say that faith comes by the audible voice of God? Having watched those who claim to possess a sign gift there is a 100% guarantee that they are filled with self-importance who do not care for your soul, who make merchandise of you, steal your money in the name of their god, and belittle those who have not attained to the level of their so-called "spirituality". Steve Furtick being one of many who wants to be the leader of the pack. Arnie, you have believed a lie. All of what I said here was not at you, but rather for you. As one who suffered through the lies of similar "preachers" some 50 years ago as a teenager these types of things get my blood boiling quickly. I was nothing more than a number to be bragged about to their fellow wolves. After the Lord saved me in '04 it has been my passion to expose the false teaching done in the name of the Lord. Hearing the audible voice of the Lord is a false teaching. Hebrews 1:1-4 is one many magnificant descriptions of the Lord Jesus found throughout scripture. Here it is stated that God has spoken to us by His Son. We have thousands of Jesus' words recorded in the Bible, the Word of God. In fact, Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1&2; 1:14; Rev. 19:13). Are we not to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God? His written Word is the only communication that we will have from Him this side of heaven. Again, if His audible voice is required for any thing then faith is not needed and is actually useless. One last thought, can you or anyone else PROVE that what they heard was the actual voice Jesus? Can't be done. So all we have to go on is the word of a man---not good enough. Stick with the Word of God. Read, read, read it and then read it again.

    Darrel

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  6. Arnie, the greatest miracle for truly born again believers is when God reached down and saved us. There is NO greater miracle that can ever compare to being born again. The ONLY other miracle better or equal to us being saved is to see people we love and have been praying for being saved. No miracle can match the matchless beauty of knowing Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. All these -so called miracles, signs and God said this and God said that to all these "super duper people" who think they have some kind of elite esoteric knowledge that no one else has is just a bunch of foolishness.

    So, all who are chasing after all these endless carnivals like a buncha aficionado's are running around like pagans.


    Consider the seriousness of hearing God's voice::

    The problem with many thinking they are hearing the voice of God is it opens a person up to all kinds of voices and it opens up our heart to dangerous attacks which is the wellspring of life that we are told to guard with all diligence"-Pr.4:23.

    We can even deceive ourselves with voices- our own hearts are deceitful and wicked above all things, who can know it? We don't even know our own hearts. Only God does-Pr.15:11

    Take Barbara Marx Hubbard - She's not even a Christian and yet She meditated on the Lord's prayer-the word of God and that's where she got her "Christ voice" meditating on Scripture. Even meditating on Scripture is no guarantee that you are not going to be deceived.

    we need to consider the warnings and examples given in Scripture of how extremely serious (listening to voices) is and how we need to (fear the Lord) and test everything~ 1 John 4:1.

    Take 1 Kings 22:19-23 You might even hear the voice of a spirit who might even be “from God,” and yet it could be bad for you. Why? because of the judgment of reprobation such as in Romans 1 when God gives people OVER

    And Micaiah said, “Therefore, hear the word of the Lord. I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left.
    And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said this while another said that. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’ And the Lord said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’ Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the Lord has proclaimed disaster against you.”

    If that doesn't get your attention of how serious this all is relying on voices, then like a blind deaf man/woman fall down on your face repent and cry out to the Lord to grant you the fear of the LORD!
    then, some more voices even from people that seem to confirm it's from God.
    Take Acts 16:16-18 "She told the TRUTH".... "a certain slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortunetelling. Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, “These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.” And she continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out at that very moment.

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  7. (I am no english major. This post will have errors lol )I live in statesville NC and I have been going to Elevation Church for some time now. I have heard and SEEN God work through Elevation Church with everything they do. I have also seen countless articles warning people of pastor Furtick's "non-scripture teaching". I have to say, most of this world is obsessed with finding something wrong with anything that seems to be going in the right direction. There is a critic for everything that someone does, and most of these people using scripture to turn people away from such things should be very careful in doing so. I grew up in the church, left the church, and God has used Furtick and Elevation church to bring me back to him. I have not seen scripture taken out of context once at Elevation, as I have quite often from some(not all) other churches.
    We shouldn't be so offended when a pastor preaches on giving and the tithe, and if we are I would question where our priorities are. The tithe and giving is part of scripture, but most of us are quick to disagree with the teaching to some degree. We get offended because either we aren't giving what we know we should or we aren't giving at all. I was this way my whole life, but by having a pastor who leads by example has shown me the importance of making room for God in my finances. Matthew 6:24 teaches that we cannot serve both God and Money. By giving to God what is his he knows that we trust him enough to do so, and that it allows us to make a budget that will show us how to spend money wisely. Without question we should all tithe to our own church, but if you don't feel like God is asking you to give, then don't. And don't be so offended when a pastor has a message that isn't dealing directly to you because there are others listening.
    1 Kings 10 is a perfect example of how we all should go about the questions or concerns we have. The queen of Sheba had her doubts about Solomon and the work he was doing for the Lord, but she did not believe it until she had seen it with her own eyes. She had only heard stories about the works being done and she had become a critic herself, but she was overwhelmed when she experienced it first hand. Please please please ( if possible ) go experience the work God is doing through pastor Furtick and Elevation church. www.Elevationchurch.org and www.elevationnetwork.com is a great place to start. God bless us all!

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    1. Brandon,

      I'll be brief, as Linda has articulated many of my thoughts already in her comments below. I did, however, want to address two things. First, in the comment above, you equate Elevation Church and Steven Furtick with the temple of Solomon's day. I am guessing that you gleaned this from Christine Caine's message at the Code Orange Revival and, for the record, Elevation Church is not the temple and Steven Furtick is not Solomon.

      More importantly, I urge you to prayerfully watch again the video that I've posted above. If you listen carefully, asking God for discernment as you do, you will notice that Steven Furtick is actually selling miracles. Or, at least he is trying to. This is an abomination! Read the text again that he is preaching from. Not once did Elisha demand that the widow give her oil to him or to anyone. Furtick has twisted and abused this historical text in order to manipulate the audience into handing over more money.

      May God open your eyes to the deception.

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  8. Brandon, although you have a sincere heart you are sincerely wrong on many points. First of all God doesn't NEED our money. that is not priority #1 at all. He wants YOU and ME to surrender our lives totally and completely to HIM.

    Secondly, in the New Testament the New Covenant which is what we are under now, is not based on the law but on the heart. Christians don't tithe in order to get their priorities straight, they GIVE freely out of the gratefulness and thankfulness of Jesus Christ already making their lives straight-eternal life and their appreciation of all God provides comes from his loving hand.

    Btw, Tithing is nowhere found in the New Testament at all. WE no longer tithe we give freely-2Cr 9:7 "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

    thirdly, you make assumptions that are just plain false and associate Christians being Good Bereans as Scripture clearly tells us to do as equated with -"being obsessed with finding something wrong with anything that seems to be going in the right direction".

    "seems to be going in the right direction"-how do you know it's going in the right direction? what are you using to know if it's right or wrong?

    you use the word "seem" which is pretty unreliable when God's word is to be what we go by and not what seems right--. The bible says bad things about the word seems--"There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death"-Pr.14:12. --"All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the LORD."-Pr.16:2

    The word of GOD is a Christians plumb-line for measuring all truth.
    The word of God commands us to "Test everything; hold onto the good and avoid every kind of evil"-1 Thes.5:21

    How do you know what all Steve Furtick is teaching is deception or not?

    Jesus is whom we are to be following according to Scripture. Jesus said "Let NO MAN deceive you for many will come in my name and deceive many"

    I would implore you to stop following people and begin following Jesus of Scripture by praying and asking him to show you the truth and going by the word of God.

    One more thing,, ask yourself if you have ever fallen in love with someone or are married would you want that person to love you for who you are and desire to be with you because of YOU, or would you want that person to be with you because of your money?

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  9. This is a trend that is happening within our culture. We always want to look at Jesus and all of the qualities we enjoy, but we never want to think about the things he has asked of us that we don't want to be a part of. The tithe is mentioned in the N.T as well as the O.T ( In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too. ) And if you want to get real deep into the N.T read Acts chapter 2. Talk about leading by example. verse 45 especially. Now if you wanna play the O.T / N.T game..ya gotta go 100% right?

    And does our Bible tell us that since Jesus has made all things new and that we are judged by faith alone that we should neglect the law? NO! Paul states in Romans 3:31 "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." We are no longer judged by the law, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't uphold it. Thats almost like saying, "well, i like killing and stealing...but I have my faith placed in Jesus so i'm good." If your faith is placed in Jesus, you won't give in to these things. In 1 John 2:3-4 "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says "i know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Thank God for his mercy, that we are judged by faith alone, but if we aren't following his teachings...is our faith really placed with him? I'm not saying if you don't tithe your going to hell. I'm simply saying its what he wants. Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    And yes, we should TEST everything...but it doesn't say to condemn it. Condemnation isn't a part of who we are. What "tests" have we done through this article for someone to state that "well, that Steven Furtick has it all wrong" Their are no "tests" being done...just people picking out what they want to hear and how they want to hear it to post some comments about how horrible someone else is and how great they are.

    I also know that Elevation church and Furtick are doing good in the name of the Lord because Matthew 7 16-19 says 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. See for yourself, http://annualreport.elevationchurch.org/ and i've been their to see it in person. I didn't want to take someone else's word for it.

    I am not sure why people get so upset about their money. You have the money you own because of God. I know the argument people put forth, "well its up to us if we want to give or not". Yea, in the end its totally up to you. Are you giving what you should? Do you trust God to be your provider? "well, i give every now and then when my budget has leftover money i know i won't need." He doesn't want your leftovers.

    Yea i knew someone would pick my horrible grammar and word choice apart, but that's cool. "Seems" is exactly what i meant to say because regardless of how high we put ourselves into thinking we know someone's heart or where their faith is placed, we don't. Our Bible teaches us that only God does. So from what I have seen and been a part of it does "seem" that way. :)

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  10. I'll end with this because I feel like I am getting sucked into the thing I don't enjoy. Christians are so focused on pointing the finger at one another, its obvious why the world doesn't want to listen to us. It's obvious that we get so caught up in who preaches to much on truth, or who preaches to much on grace..when in John 1:14 it says he was full of grace AND truth. It's no wonder why the world doesn't want to be involved with Jesus when they preach Romans 8:1 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus"...and the very ones preaching it condemn one another every chance they get. "Hey lets dedicate an article to condemn a guy for preaching the BIBLE, but don't mention how their church puts millions of dollars into the community or how they volunteered 50k hours to help out people in need all over their city, or how he presents the Gospel and leads people to Jesus...nah lets not mention any of that" Everyone of us on here knows that we fall short of the glory of God, but we are real quick to point someone out. I won't be responding, and not because I do or don't feel like I "know everything"..simply because their is a better way to use the time God has given me, rather than argue over these types of things. God is big enough to handle his children, and if Steven Furtick is leading people to hell in his name, I am pretty sure he will handle it. Cuz Mark 9:39 says "Do not stop him".."No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me"...why are we so bothered then?

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  11. Brandon said "Christians are so focused on pointing the finger at one another, its obvious why the world doesn't want to listen to us."

    Firstly, that's a false argument because you are (assuming)that Steve Furtick and all these false teachers who follow him are all Christians and you are (assuming)also that this is why the world doesn't want to listen. Your argument is not based on biblical mandates of what Christians are commanded to do if we really DO love people by warning them of false teachers and teachings that will send you to hell. The reason why people don't want to listen is because by nature people hate the Gospel, they hate the Cross it's foolishness to them. it's all an offense to people who are not born again.

    Secondly, you will find many verses of Scripture that (Command)us to judge and for us to be like the Bereans -Acts 17:11.

    For you to imply that it is wrong to call attention to ERROR is Unbiblical. The warning is for us not to judge unrighteously or hypocritically. In fact the New Testament emphatically teaches Christians ARE to judge TRUTH from ERROR, both individually and corporately---Acts 17:11, 1 John 4:1-2, Ephesians 5:11-13, 1 Corinthians 14:29.But whoever judges needs to be sure that their motives are right.

    If Jesus wanted people to not be judgmental or judge other people’s sin, He certainly did not take His own advise. In fact, Jesus often told people how to behave and specifically told them not to sin--"go and sin no more".. so, if Jesus really did not want people to be judgmental, why was He that way Himself?

    We are to test the spirits to see if they are from God-1 John 4:1
    We are to be AWARE of the wiles of the Devil-Ephesians 6:11
    We are to stop being so gullible and quit gulping down swallowed assumptions tossed with everything these popular teachers are saying and understand that there are false teachers among us-2 Peter 2:1

    We are to proclaim the whole word of God-Acts 20:27 not just snippets and parts like many are doing now. Taking verses out of their context is unbiblical and pitting verses against one another is unbiblical. God's word in Titus 1:10 commands us to rebuke those SHARPLY WHO have departed from the faith and teach false doctrine to rebuke the sharply.

    Brandon said-"Their are no "tests" being done...just people picking out what they want to hear and how they want to hear it to post some comments about how horrible someone else is and how great they are.

    So why are you omitting these commands and "just picking out what you want to hear from God's word??"

    Jesus even said "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing; inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
    Brandon said'"We always want to look at Jesus and all of the qualities we enjoy, but we never want to think about the things he has asked of us that we don't want to be a part of."
    Christians are to look to Jesus and "Die to self" Again you are making false assumptions that everyone is seeing things through your eyes when we NEED to be filtering our thoughts with the truth of God's word as our plumb-line.

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  12. When is Steve Furtick going to stop talking about himself? Steve Furtick badly decontextualizes God's word. I've listened to him in several videos and he abuses Scripture all the time. The Gospel is not about STEVE it's about Jesus. The story of Elijah and Elisha is not about Steve it's about the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD pointing to the Messiah Jesus. Over and over Steve slaughters God's word. I don't have to drive to his church to clearly see that he is abusing God's word.

    MANY are meant ONLY for "historical narratives and not for "illustrative narratives" or "personal" use. Individualizing texts violates Scripture because Scripture has only One interpreter and only one interpretation. It is a violation to decontextualize to the point that is it misrepresents the true meaning intended by the AUTHOR. Scripture is abused because the bible as a whole is written by ONE AUTHOR and He clearly says prophecy is not for "personal or private interpretation.... Approaching Scripture with the wrong motives is NEVER appropriate...

    Steve,or any Christian is accountable to the (same scrutiny). There is no justification for a different standard as you state. We are ALL held to the Same Standard of God's WORD. You cannot "suppose" that Scripture is for "personal" gain when it applies to all the same

    Brandon said "just people picking out what they want to hear and how they want to hear it to post some comments about how horrible someone else is and how great they are."

    Brandon, I can only surmise from your comment that you either didn’t read and understand the point of this post, or alternatively that you’re taking the position that condoning, enabling, and offering a stage to a professing Christian who is in active rebellion against God’s Word is “the right thing” and God condones teachings and teachers that contradict his word.

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  13. @ Brandon or anyone who needs to know the truth about tithing.

    this is a great video where this guy exposes the false teachings of men fleecing the sheep by twisting of Scripture to support (their view) rather than what God's word actually teaches about Tithing and the New Testament Christian....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-MZNHb37BBE#!

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