27 February 2012

"Historic Interfaith Document" was "One Year in the Making"

From the December 2011 archives of the blog of the Islamic Center of Southern California:
Last Sunday, a historic event took place at Saddleback Church in Orange County, California. Saddleback is known for its famous pastor, Rick Warren, who delivered the prayer at President Obama’s inauguration ceremony. The Church hosted a number of Muslim communities in based in Southern California for its second annual celebration of Jesus (pbuh). This event is significant because Saddleback is a large evangelical church with over 22 thousand members. Although only a select number of individuals were invited to this dinner, it demonstrates the new theological position of Saddleback. At the celebration, a document one year in the making was presented which encourages Christians and Muslims to appreciate the similarities of our faiths.
The document encouraged that our communities work together towards the common good and to combat bigotry in a 1-2-3 plan. The first step in the plan identifies the belief in one God. The second step acknowledges God’s commandment to love God and your neighbor. Finally, step three is for our communities to commit to three things: making friends, building peace, and serving the world at large together.
This relationship with Saddleback Church was initiated over a year ago with a friendship between one of the pastors, Abraham Meulenberg, and the ICSC’s Jihad Turk. Pastor Meulenberg reached out having heard about the Center and our interfaith work. From this friendship developed an institutional link between their respective organizations. (Online Source, emphasis added. To view pictures of this event, visit here.)
As stated in yesterday's post, Rick Warren Builds Bridge to Muslims, while Islam may bow to one god, and Christianity serves one God, these two are not the same God. As was also mentioned yesterday on this blog, the idea of "love God, love your neighbor" is not the Gospel, it is the Law. Indeed, as emphasized above, this recent step taken by Saddleback Church does reveal "the new theological position of Saddleback." Yet, can it really be said that this is a new position? After all, did not Rick Warren stand before a room of Muslims in 2009 and declare:
You know that obviously as an evangelical pastor, my deepest faith is in Jesus Christ. But you also need to know that I am committed not just what I call the “Good News,” but I am committed to the common good. And as the Scripture says “Love your neighbor as yourself.” I am commanded to love and I am commanded to respect everybody. Everybody. Now I was asked to speak to you about how Muslims and Christians can work closer together for the greater good, in our world. And I will tell you that I am not interested in interfaith dialogue, I am interested in interfaith projects. There is a big difference. Talk is very cheap. And you can talk and talk and talk and not get anything done. Love is something you do. It is something that we do together. Love is a verb. Now as the two largest faiths on this planet, Muslims and Christians, we must lead in this. We must lead. With over one billion Muslims, and over 2 billion Christians, together, as half the world, we have to do something, about modeling what it means to live in peace, to live in harmony. (Online Source)
Sadly, Rick Warren is not only deceiving millions, but he appears to be deceiving himself as well. For all of the talk of "loving neighbor," if he truly did care for his Muslim neighbors, he would reach out to them with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, even if it meant that his beloved P.E.A.C.E. plan would cease to flourish. If, as a Christian saved by Jesus Christ, Rick Warren truly felt love and compassion for those trapped in the false religion of Islam, then even the mere thought of affirming belief in a shared god would cause him to tremble. Rick Warren's actions display both a misunderstanding and a lack of true Christian love.

Instead, what Rick Warren is propagating is the dangerous practice of ecumenism. Performed in the name of "peace" and "unity," ecumenism is perhaps one of the greatest dangers to the church today. We are not called to join hands with false religions in any spiritual enterprise. Rather, Scripture commands against this, for it is an abomination to the one and only true and living God.
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
There's a Lion On the Ground (by Tony Miano)
Does Rick Warren Still Get John Piper's "Stamp of Approval?" (Sola Sisters)


  1. I don't suppose Warren and his folks are ignorant in any shape, form, or fashion as to what they are doing or how it differs from orthodox Christianity.
    However, I wonder if anyone surrounding Warren is even aware than ecumenical efforts, even if not called that, towards Muslims are viewed by Islamic theology to be acknowledging the supremacy of Islam, and as putting themselves in a form of Dhimmitude.
    There is absolutely no question that Muslims are allowed to lie or practice tacquiya when dealing with infidels (anyone who is not a Muslim), that you are either part of Dar'al'Islam (the world of Islam) or the rest of us Dar'al'harb) the world of war. That would be the world that Islam is at war with.
    In addition, there are only three choices from an Islamic theology view: convert, die, or accept dhimmitude, a near slave status.
    Muslims and their apologist have and will deny all that I have said, but the historical and theological facts are, well, history.
    So indeed " Rick Warren is not only deceiving millions, but he appears to be deceiving himself as well." may be true. But I would still say he and his are not ignorant, they choose to ignore facts.

  2. So Rick's (common good) between Christians and Muslims appears to win out on the Good News-(the gospel)

    and Rick's "peace plan" appears to win out on God's way of Peace through his Son at the cross who shed his blood for the remission of our sins.

    Rick Warren "bridging the gap" appears to be able to win out on God's way of bridging the Gap through His Son at the cross

    If this isn't the very height and essence of Satanic hubris and wickedness for Rick Warren to exalt himself above that of what God Almighty has already accomplished His way, I don't know what is.

    Galatians 1:8-9  Rick Warren is an enemy of the Gospel and of Jesus Christ of the Bible

  3. This has been going on for years now... Look if you remember at: "Loving God and Neighbor Together:
    A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You." A manifesto of "common ground" between The Gospel and demonic man made religion of Islam from few years back. Look who signed this among Warren and Hybles... The list of signers only grew from then: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Common%20Word%20NYTimes%20Ad.pdf

  4. Any idea where I can find the document signed by Saddleback and their Muslim cohorts?

  5. Hi Tony,

    According to Jim Hinch, the reporter who wrote the story in the OC Register, this document has not yet been released to the public. Ken Silva spoke with Hinch yesterday, and detailed some of that conversation here: http://apprising.org/2012/02/27/rick-warren-islam-and-jim-hinch/

  6. Rick Warren is not the only one seeking "interfaith dialogue". Looks to me like an unseen "mastermind" is at work here, and that one of these days we'll see a grand global "coming together" and unveiling of all these ecumenical efforts. (Well, how Biblical is that?!) Check out this article from October 2011 regarding the new "common ground" religious center being planned for Vienna, Austria, and funded largely by Saudi Arabia.


    with Brandon A. Cox and The Christian Post


  8. Hi Anonymous,

    The link you have shared does not work, however I know which article it is pointing to. It's important to note that I've already acknowledged Warren's response here: http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2012/03/rick-warren-responds-to-newspaper.html

    You may also be interested in reading an excerpt of the King's Way document that was shared here: http://apprising.org/2012/03/04/apprising-ministries-exclusive-on-rick-warren-jim-hinch-and-islam/

    Based upon the above, it seems that Warren has a bit more explaining to do, especially in light of this: http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2012/03/are-we-witnessing-kings-way-cover-up.html

    Thanks for visiting.

  9. Rick Warren just published ANOTHER refutation of what Jim Hinch posted in the OC Register. (This was sent to his church on 3-10-2012).

    I documented it here:

    Thanks for the work you do to further the real Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Continue being a Berean!



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