17 February 2012

Are We All We've Got?

Ed Young, Jr.'s annual C3 conference is invading Dallas at this moment. What with? Well, that remains to be seen, but I think most of us could offer a fairly accurate speculation. The event is being streamed live, but thanks to the technology of today, one doesn't always have to watch the entire event in order to "hear" what is being espoused at these Seeker-Driven conferences.

One such alternate means of information, and a presumedly reliable one, would be the official C3 Conference Twitter account. Imagine this writer's surprise, then, when the following tweets were sent out from this account:
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These "soundbites," if you will, are quoted from the sermon delivered at C3 on February 16, 2012 by Carl Lentz, who pastors Hillsong Church in New York City. Granted, they could be misconstrued and pulled grossly out of context. Yet, I am unsure exactly what kind of context these statements could be placed in that would cause them to be biblically accurate.

Firstly, it would be interesting to know what Scripture Lentz would use to substantiate his claim that "God chose US to change our world." Nowhere in God's Word do we see that the earth will become a better place by the efforts of men. Of course, in our regeneration we do good works when and where we can and as we are led, but this world is drowning in sin. Man cannot stop that or change it or reverse it. However, this world will be changed, but not by men.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. 
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Peter 3:7-13)
Yes, according to the promises of God we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth. We are waiting for it because it can and will only be brought about by God.
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” (Revelation 21:1-5)
Only Jesus can make "all things new." Only Jesus can change a sinful, depraved, dead heart, and only Jesus can truly change this sinful, depraved, dead world.

In his sermon, Lentz also apparently declared (according to the official C3 2012 Twitter account) that, "We are all we got to change our world. There's no one else coming." Wow. This man is a pastor? Oh, how I wish I could have heard his entire message! Surely he did not mean what this quote implies! Surely Lentz must be aware that Someone else is coming!
And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:9-11) 
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (Revelation 19:11-16)
"Pastor" Lentz, there is someone else coming, and He is far greater and far more powerful than any person currently walking on this earth. He is JESUS CHRIST and His return is certain. Oh, how I pity the person who is lost in the belief that "we are all we got!" No! If we have been saved by the grace of God, then we have so much more! We have Jesus Christ and all of the promises of Him. Oh, how I pity him who does not live with this glorious awareness. If "we are all we got," then we are in a gravely hopeless condition. But if we have Jesus Christ, then we have the hope of heaven.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. (Colossians 1:15-20)


  1. "God chose US to change our World."

    HE did? Wait a second... I thought you have to make a "decision" for that and "open your heart" for that as well... What happened with that this time? Did HE violated your "free will" to do that????

    1. Yep. I think he did. What does he think this is anyway? Pick and choose buffet?!! His "free will" conveniently flew out the window supposedly. Incredible!

  2. About 160-175, an Assyrian named Tatian wrote the Diatesseron, trying to harmonize the Gospels. Perhaps I can use his method to harmonize what Lentz said with scripture.

    (Gen 11:4) Then they said, "(God chose us),Come, let us(change the world)and build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves (and save the world), lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth."

    Hmm, doesn't seem to mesh. Come to think of it, I can't find any scripture that works with Lentz's quote.

  3. I just shake my head at the bold and arrogant statements people are making that are sounding more and more like Genesis as mwhenry stated.

    James Mac Donald making his statement about a vertical Church or something ?? cant remember but it was vertical and that reminds me of well again, Genesis where they wanted to build a tower that reached into the heavens.

    More and more I've noticed the language is paralleling Genesis

  4. I've been attending hillsong nyc for some time now. I want to find another church, as I noticed a lot of false doctrine that Lentz is teaching from. I want no part in this any longer.

  5. Only if you knew who Carl Lentz really is. Arrogance is an understatement. I'm not sure what he means by being "chosen." How convenient of him to make such claims. Last time I checked, Hillsong is a Pentecostal church under Arminianism. Since when were they so keen on predestination. The reason why you can't find any of Lentz's sermons on-line is because he is a very insecure man. Hillsong NYC is a complete joke.


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