03 January 2012

What Do John Piper and Beth Moore Have in Common?

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. (1 Timothy 2:11-15)
The Apostle Paul was quite clear about a woman's role in the church. Yet these days it doesn't seem to matter. Whether they are standing in a pulpit bearing the title of "pastor," or whether they are starring in their very own Bible-teaching hour on TBN, female Bible teachers abound and, sadly, an overwhelming majority of them are guilty of twisting, abusing and misusing the Scripture. As if this isn't horrendous enough (and it is), those women who are false teachers also happily allow men to sit under their erroneous teaching.

Case in point: The Passion 2012 Conference. This conference is going on right now in Atlanta, and is largely for students. It has a very interesting lineup of speakers, which brings me to the question asked in the title of this post: What do John Piper and Beth Moore have in common? Well, they are both headlining at this conference, along with other famous names such as Francis Chan and Christine Caine.

Yes, that's right, the SBC's very own Beth Moore, who receives direct revelation and visions from God, who believes that the Roman Catholic Church is actually a Christian denomination, is preaching to tens of thousands alongside supposedly reformed men like John Piper and Francis Chan. And, as you'll recall from this article, Christine Caine of Hillsong is hardly any more doctrinally sound in her teaching.

There are undoubtedly many young men who are counted among the thousands of students joining in this event. And then we have men like James MacDonald proclaiming these women to be among the "world's best" preachers ... and we have James MacDonald's sons, who are both pastors on staff with student ministries at Harvest Bible Chapel, attending Passion 2012 and willingly being taught by these women who are disobedient to the Word of God.

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May we continue to pray that God would open wide the eyes of the deceived.

SEE ALSO:

James MacDonald Thinks Beth Moore Studies are "Pretty Phenomenal"

Beth Moore Recommends "Jesus Calling"

16 comments:

  1. I started to see something weird going on with Piper's ministry when he embraced, approved and coached in his "interview" Rick Warren to make Warren's chameleon version of leavenjellycalism more palpable for most. Sadly this looks a like his continuation in a wrong direction. It remains to be seen what is actually going on with this but then again can someone tell me what in a world is going on with John Piper?

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  2. I don't get Piper either. I enjoy so many of his articles. But, he is tacitly misleading his followers by appearing in this venue with Moore.

    These celebrity ministers must all belong to the same union. Even when they come across as sound, they don't mind flocking together with the flaky ones.

    Where are the men among them? We need the voices who show they're leading in the struggle to "mark those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them."

    Maybe I expect too much from these high-flyers.

    Stan

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  3. Looks like some sort of big clique is forming amongst popular Bible teachers that are going off the deep end. But I hope and pray that the Lord sets them aright!

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  4. The commonality and missing link is mysticism.

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  5. Check this out...

    Is it wrong for men to listen to female speakers?

    http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/ask-pastor-john/is-it-wrong-for-men-to-listen-to-female-speakers

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  6. I thought that the Lord disciplined and rebuked his children.. If Piper does not repent does this mean he was never God's Child?

    Same thing with Mrs Moore,,

    I'm beginning to wonder how shocked we are going to be when we are in heaven and look around as don't see people we thought for sure were going to be there...

    The very shocking verse is 2John 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

    I'm not saying Christians don't go astray ~ they DO. But a genuine believer will always be so miserable in his sin that he will eventually REPENT.

    I hope and I pray Piper and Mrs Moore will show they are genuine

    they need our steadfast prayers

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  7. inform yourself,

    The over-arching issue is what Beth Moore teaches.

    This will help you become more informed: http://apprising.org/2011/12/28/sbcs-beth-moore-merely-pretending-to-be-protestant/

    Perhaps you'll care to comment upon that.

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  8. Maybe just maybe you are the decieved...over critical and haughty...just maybe. Not saying these people havent done anything wrong, they may have, but your haughty.

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  9. Anonymous,

    Maybe, just maybe, you are the deceived because you don't seem to be willing to interact with the facts.

    "Not saying these people havent done anything wrong, they may have,..."

    Well, have they? Or haven't they? How would you know if you weren't willing to look at the case presented.

    "but you['re] haughty."

    This is the sin of being judgmental. You don't even know the author or me.

    Just so you know, it's a non sequitur to assert that to be critical of someone's doctrine makes one haughty.

    In fact, much of the New Testament is polemics against false doctrine.

    We can't help it that the time we live in is full of spiritual sissies seeking unity at the expense of the genuine Christian faith.

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  10. Thank you so much Ken Silva

    I read it and I feel very malaise about Beth Moore~~

    I think Dave Hunt was on to something when he said "It has become quite clear that the world religion under Antichrist will not be atheism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, or even New Age. It will be Christianity, but in
    a paganized form - exactly what it became under the leadership of Constantine and his successors, the popes."

    This is very quasi Christian that most cannot tell it anymore

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  11. Thank you to everyone for leaving your comments. I apologize that I have been unable to respond before now.

    Inform Yourself,

    Ken has aptly stated what I intended to say to your comment and your posting of the link to the Piper video. The greater problem is in what Beth Moore teaches. She has proven herself to not only be a proponent of contemplative spirituality, but is also guilty of twisting Scripture in order to serve her own message. I highly suggest that you read the article that Ken linked to. I think you'll find it enlightening, and I pray that it will help you to understand why we ought to be concerned that a man of Piper's credentials is lending credibility to Beth Moore.

    Anonymous,

    I thank you for reading and for taking the time to comment. I encourage you in the future, however, to read the Comment Policy before posting. If you had done this, you would have seen that I rarely post comments that are akin to saying that I am a "meanie" simply because you disagree with me. Disagreement and discussion is most certainly welcome, but unless you can bring a Scriptural, well-articulated argument to the table, you'd best keep your criticisms about being critical to yourself. Ken said, "In fact, much of the New Testament is polemics against false doctrine." I pray, Anonymous, that you will consider this and open God's Word and see this for yourself.

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  12. EBenz ~ I posted a link to this article on my blog and have had two comments sharing what is actually happening at the event.

    Stan says, "John Piper began to speak at 1 hour and 15 minutes in. On the huge screens behind him were these words, “Jesus, speak to me.” John read the entire chapter of Ephesians 6. Then, instead of expounding on it like one would have usually expected from him, he said this: “Let’s be quiet and ask the Lord to speak.” He bowed his head, and for a full minute, he and the entire crowd in the stadium grew completely silent. Then afterward, he prayed verbatim the prayer of Ephesians 3:14-21 and some other verses for the students that were there and that they would be able to get along with and to forgive parents."

    Vickie shared, "In session 5, all of the people on stage read a chapter or part of one from Ephesians, and four to five times paused to “be still” and let Jesus speak to them and the audience after the reading. It wasn’t just John Piper who did this. I felt like I was witnessing contemplative spirituality plain and simple. The crowd probably had no idea what was going on, but you can bet that some will copy that type of praying."

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  13. Hi Yvonne,

    Thanks for sharing these comments and thank you for the link!

    I actually watched Session 5 before it was removed from the website, and I witnessed this bit of "lectio divina lite" that transpired. There is no doubt that thousands left that arena presuming such a practice to be a biblical form of prayer. There also were most likely thousands who left expecting that they should hear audibly from God following such practice, especially as we heard Louie Giglio affirm such a thing at the end of the session.

    Sad indeed, because many will accept this simply because a man of John Piper's reputation was involved.

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  14. Frankly, I am very disappointed with all of you. Just listen to yourself talk. I'm not trying to be judgmental here, but I know that as a brother in Christ (if you will let me call myself that...it seems you all are quick to presume deception), I should confront those who are causing dissention. You all are setting these people to heights that they need not belong, even though they are indeed lifted there by the Christian community of America. Although they hold prominent places in well known churches, they are fallible human beings, as each of them would admit. Can you tell me you've never twisted the Scriptures to serve your own agenda? Yes, that is a sin, but just like all of them, Jesus is a great Savior who forgives us for these wrongs. We all bring our worldviews and baggage to the text. The New testament also prominently talks about quarreling, slandering, etc. and how it corrupts the church of God. Let us not engage in this manner. Stop becoming appauled at the "two Christian celebrities" showing up in the same place, and talk about what is important. If you think Scripture was twisted, give us the correct Scripture and edify the church. But do not slander someone else, simply condemn them for what they have done and cause further hatred or dissention. These kinds of things are polluting the church and destroying the kind of Spirit Jesus calls us to have. Be accountable with your words. If you have a problem with teaching, illustrate it and tell people why instead of cowardly suggesting someone screwed up the Scripture and is a horrible person without anything worth edification.

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  15. Anonymous,

    Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Perhaps our concerns would be best illustrated with video evidence. I encourage you to visit the following article, to read it in its entirety, and to watch the videos - all of them - in their entirety: http://apprising.org/2012/01/06/beth-moore-and-john-piper-lead-lectio-divina-lite-at-passion-2012/

    After viewing those videos, it is blatantly obvious that we ought to be not just concerned about what happened at Passion 2012, but we ought to be shouting a warning from the rooftops.

    Now, it is precisely because men like Piper and women like Moore are perceived as "Christian celebrities," and are thus trusted by countless Christians to be properly teaching the Bible, that we ought to be concerned. And when they join together and lend credibility to one another, then our concern grows, because the masses continue to be deceived. I appreciate that you are sincere in your attempt to "confront those who are causing dissension." However, if calling out false and dangerous teaching causes a divide, so be it. Far better to stand before the Lord knowing you have stood upon His truth, not compromising the Gospel for the sake of man's definition of "unity," than to stand before Him ashamed.

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  16. Thanks for your kindness and Christlike attitude EBenz. You are a good example of telling the truth in love

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