21 January 2012

Did James MacDonald "Learn A Ton" from T.D. Jakes?


As we stumble into Day 11 of Code Orange Revival, it seems that all that these past few days have "revived" is an unhealthy sense of self: self-love, self-esteem, self-worth. All of these are extremely dangerous without an even stronger comprehension of another "s" word: SIN. In this small word is wrapped one's true condition before God without Christ. Only through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ can one stand before God justified, and then justified only by His work, for we bring nothing of worth or value to the throne of God. And yet, to listen to 9 of the last 10 speakers at Code Orange Revival, one would easily come to the conclusion that we, dear reader, are, for lack of a better word, awesome. In fact, it is my sincere wish that the folks at Code Orange Revival thought that Jesus Christ was even half as awesome as they clearly perceive themselves to be. And, for the record, by standing on stage and saying, "He [Jesus] is greater, is awesome..." means nothing when the whole of the evening has centered around you.

With the exception of Matt Chandler, the speakers of Code Orange Revival have each engaged in the dangerous practice of narcissistic eisegesis, what has been appropriately deemed "narcigesis." They have succeeded in erroneously reading themselves into the biblical text, thereby diminishing the greatness of the truth of God's Word. It is this writer's opinion that, thus far, Perry Noble has committed this error in the most grievous manner, as he twisted a Messianic passage, preaching it as though it was about Steven Furtick. Last evening, however, "Bishop" T.D. Jakes did not disappoint, and proved that he can abuse Scripture with the best of them, and can do so with a little more pizazz and finesse.

As was mentioned yesterday, people were actually camping out overnight in order to secure their spot in line to see Jakes. This seemed rather bizarre. Were people really that excited to see and hear a known Word of Faith heretic and modalist? The fact is, until and unless Jakes repents of these two heresies, his god and the God of the Bible are not the same. One ought to be extremely concerned over Steven Furtick's exclamation, then, that T.D. Jakes is his "favorite preacher" and that Jakes is "the greatest preacher of our time." Really? Ought we not to sit up and take troubled notice at such a statement? Jakes made several comments last evening that indicated that he has not changed his stance, for example, declaring that he has preached this same "gospel" for 35 years and has believed it for 38. Such a declaration appears to indicate that neither of these false teachings have been repented of, and then one must wonder ... what will James MacDonald do with such a reality four days from now in The Elephant Room 2? MacDonald has already stated that he does not agree that Jakes is a modalist, and has seemingly named Jakes as a [Christian] brother, so, can we expect an honest, biblical conversation to occur on Wednesday, January 25? Can we expect a confrontation?

It seems that James MacDonald has already offered his answer to these questions. Early this morning, he tweeted the following:
(Online Source)
One truly has to wonder what exactly MacDonald believes that he learned last night. If you watched Jakes speak at Code Orange, you know that he effectively mangled passages like Hebrews 4:15 and Luke 8:40ff, all in an effort to focus his message around the word "touched." So again, what could James MacDonald have learned from a mishandling of the biblical text? Perhaps we can offer him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he meant that he "learned a ton" about the true condition of Jakes' theology. Perhaps MacDonald simply is excited for the opportunity to correct the false teaching that was set forth last night. Until we hear his message, we can pray and hope that this might be true. Unfortunately, the giddy attitude displayed by MacDonald makes it appear for now that he is falling in line with the majority of the Code Orange speakers.
(Online Source)
Thus far, the "vision" of Steven Furtick seems to be one of narcissism and a gross mishandling of God's Word such that, in spite of lip service, the glory and greatness of God has been grossly compromised. And "depth" in one's walk with Christ is not displayed by raised hands and loud applause. It is exercised by careful and prayerful study of His Word and by a desire to know and to understand the glorious Truth contained therein. So one must wonder how it is that James MacDonald "loves" Steven Furtick's  unfortunate and twisted rendition of these things? It may be true that a type of "revival" is occurring in Charlotte, NC. There may indeed be a spirit at work, but it ought to frighten us to think and to realize that it does not seem to be the Holy Spirit.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3)  
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. (Jude 1:3-4) 
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:28-30) 
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1) 
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

SEE ALSO:
"Code Orange" Speaker James MacDonald
"Code Orange" Speaker "Bishop" T.D. Jakes
Which One of these is Just Like the Other?

18 comments:

  1. I'm sad. So many deluded,deceived people........now completely inoculated to the true and saving gospel.

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  2. Don't want to be a pessimist but a realist here. MacDonald long ago hitched himself and Harvest Bible Chapel franchise to the wagon of "seeker friendlies" who is now pulled by prosperity hay fed horses like TD Snakes oops TD Jakes and others. It is a business decision more than anything else Harvest and churches like that are running out of money in their existing "markets" they have to branch out and niche out to other areas particularly to the areas where gullible and hurting people are trained to pay for "God's miracles"... Thus MacDonald consciously and willingly is selling out of Christian Orthodoxy for one and consistently present "doctrine" of leavenjellycalism - DOUGH also known as Mammon. TD Snakes oops TD Jakes is a master of profitable spiritual scam and pseudo Gospel pimping. MacDonald as long as the economy was rolling along was self sufficient in his orthodoxy now when when everything nose dived including giving he is more than willing to sell out and join ranks with heretics and embrace new heterodoxy for the sake of DOUGH flowing his and his franchise way... Do remember that this is a guy who bought about two million dollar home in Inverness about 7 or 8 years ago according to Chicago Magazine... Is that matching the average sheep in Harvest he ministers to who was giving regardless if he could do it this or that way??? I do not think so... I would not be surprised if gulf stream jet is about to arrive in this picture if it has not already under some camouflage...

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  3. While I appreciate the coverage and attention paid to the Elephant Room/Furtick/T.D. Jakes confusion, I think that forays into "wondering" as in "one truly has to wonder" undermine the solid reporting and analysis that has been done after-the-fact.

    There's only a few more hours before Pastor James speaks. Much will be revealed then.

    But in the meantime, this speculation as to his motives and reasons behind these last few tweets is unproductive IMO.

    Certainly AFTER he speaks, there will be a more solid context from which to better put those tweets in perspective.

    There's plenty of tangible issues to grab a hold of without wandering into speculation. Thank you for your diligence.

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  4. Is the TD Jakes presentation anywhere online?

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  5. Someone posted it here: http://youtu.be/Ahb1074qX3k

    However, Elevation has said that all presentations will be available in podcast to download after Code Orange is finished.

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  6. You are exposing false teachers, yet you use a corrupt, twisted version of the Bible: ESV "gender friendly," which replaces "men" with people, et al. Can you explain why?

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  7. That 2mil home really perplexes me, as well.

    Why on earth, would a true, solid believer in Jesus, who leads a flock, spend that much on a house? Why not spend $500,000 on a house(in Chi)and give the rest away? Why not?

    I don't care where he got the $$ :church income, radio, book income, inheritance. That doesn't matter.

    The ego trip this reveals is astounding. I challenge James and his missus to sell the mansion. Give away the profits, live simply and humbly before your God.

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  8. Psalm271,
    In my estimation, the ESV, along with the NASB, is one of the most accurate English translations available. At the risk of taking this comment string completely off topic, what translation would you have me use?

    And with that, I'd like to ask everyone to please bring the comment string back on topic. While some of the questions posed are indeed interesting and even perplexing, let's save real estate discussions for another time. :)

    Thanks, everyone!

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  9. What did Jakes say about Hebrews 4:15 and 8:40? I mean I don't know what he said and I'm curious
    Thanks~

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  10. JM,
    It probably would be a bit lengthy to try to summarize in the comment string, and it wasn't my intent in the article to offer a synopsis of Jakes' talk. To my knowledge, the video posted a few comments above is still available. If you do watch it, get ready. It's a doozy. :)

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  11. okay thanks I'll go watch the video

    I'm sure the Holy Spirit's radar will put up that red flag

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  12. @JM,

    I listened half through and TD Snakes oops TD Jakes does a major ego massage and ears scratching sprinkled with Jesus here and there.

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  13. I'm 15 minutes into the Snake's...excuse me...Jakes "sermon" and I want to puke. What a horrible approach to preaching---focusing entirely on one english translation of a word or phrase (his focus on "touch") as opposed to getting to the root meaning of the original writing. Not to mention that he chooses to focus on a word and go off on a self-serving tangent and not exposit the true meaning of the scriptures he chooses to "reference."

    "The greatest preacher of our time????" Jesus, come quickly!

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  14. @Despeville,

    Yep you are right that was a very emotionally charged feel good tickling the ears message with Jesus. Say it just right-Geezusss!

    I found many things false with his teachings. He emphasizes things, accomplishments and goals rather than emphasizing what is most important.

    I'll mention one thing that stuck out and bothered me:
    T.D.Jakes said "sometimes God doesn't give you what you want when you want it. He delays the answer so that you can learn by the process"...

    Oh so is that his ultimate goal as a Christian?

    I thought that God didn't give us what we wanted because if he did we would miss out in what we NEED- gaining Christ and getting to know Him. I thought our walk was all about Jesus not getting things or reaching goals. If God gave us what we wanted we'd never come to know Jesus Christ.

    Also, I'm not sure what process he implies we would learn but I thought that God's ways were beyond tracing out-Romans 11:33

    And yes he mangled Hebrews 4:15 and Luke 8:40-45. Nice pretzel job by contextualization.

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  15. @JM

    Spot on. Church Du Soleil and its story tellers like TD Jakes have Geeeeeeeezusss but that ain't a Biblical Jesus and particularly not in the case of sabellian like TD Snakes. This was a mix of some truth and a lot of lies and playing on human need and despair all with major biblical pretzel making and abuse of text mentioned. Have you noticed his bashing of religion in toto? I wonder if he and all the other religion bashers ever ponder what is that in James 1:27 ? The whole thing was glorification of a human will, human effort, human decision, human action and human being radical at the expense of God's glory... Oh if these folks from Church Du Soleil could only touchchchchchchchchchchchchchch the actual Gospel and not its caricatures presented by TD Snakes or Fürer Furtick. I have not heard MacDonald yet but I bet that he was polishing and placating their and crowd's egos all the more. This whole "revival" most of the time was only an exercise in therapeutic moralistic theism dressed up clumsily as a Christian Faith and sold to gullible folks as a bona fide Gospel. Get a touch folks.

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  16. Now that Pastor James has given his message at Code Orange Revival, does the author of this blog post believe that he has "fallen in line with the majority of Code Orange speakers"?

    IMO, he gave a safe-but-solid message. Not the barn-burner type of message he is capable of, but far from the heretical preaching of the others (except Matt Chandler).

    In the end, I'm left confused why someone like Pastor James would associate with (and by extension endorse) Stephen Furtick and his ministry.

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  17. At the risk of being accused of being too critical and cynical, I was largely unimpressed. MacDonald preached his "stock" repentance sermon - I've heard a very similar message before, right down to similar emotional cues and the same misunderstanding of the simple text of Revelation 3:20.

    I'd like to give him credit for preaching repentance in a church that gives lip service to the idea, but seems to have little understanding of what the word actually means. However, it seems ironic to preach such a message on the same stage that was filled with a female pastrix the week before, and was graced with the presence of a heretic just 24 hours before (who gave a message that MacDonald claims "blessed" him), and not mention these gross sins or offer even a subtle, gentle rebuke regarding them.

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  18. Acts 5:34-39
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    34 Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them: “Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. 36 For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. 37 After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.”

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